Whispers, Spoilers & Speculation Corner: 03/28/16: Easter Edition

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Sci-fi Spoilerpalooza
By Heather S. Vina

Good news for fans of several of CBS’ old time shows, the network has renewed 11 of them.

12 Monkeys: TV Line has up the latest promotional poster for season two.

The 100: Executive producer Jason Rothenberg penned a letter to the fans who were upset at the way the show handled the killing off of the Lexa character.

American Gods: The show has cast actor Sean Harris (The Borgias) as Mad Sweeney.

American Horror Story: Ryan Murphy revealed at Paleyfest who of the former cast would be returning this season.

Daredevil: Showrunners Douglas Petrie and Marco Ramirez have up an interview with Variety on season two. Actress Elodie Yung has up an interview with the Hollywood Reporter.

Game of Thrones: EW has up their set of magazine covers featuring the actors. The cast also answered who they thought would make the best Queen.

Grimm: TV Line has up an interview with actors Claire Coffee and Sasha Roiz.

iZombie: David Anders has up an interview with TV Line.

Killjoys: You can watch the show’s panel at the recent Toronto Comic Con on this YouTube channel.

Marvel’s Most Wanted: Actor Oded Fehr (Resident Evil) has been cast as “a well-known character from the Marvel comics who will prove a force to be reckoned with.” Adrianne Palicki and Nick Blood previewed with TV Line the upcoming show and what’s next for their characters.

Once Upon A Time: Spoiler TV has up the press release for episode 16. Showrunner Edward Kitsis previewed what’s next following Belle’s reveal last week.

Supergirl: Grant Gustin and Melissa Benoist have up a video interview with TV Line previewing the crossover. The show’s writers have a role in mind for former Diana Prince, AKA Wonder Woman Lynda Carter. If they can get her in season two. If there is a season two.

The Vampire Diaries: Ian Somerhalder previewed to TV Line the Damon and Bonnie reunion. There will be another crossover with The Originals as Elijah and Finn meet up with Matt.

The Walking Dead: Actor Austin Amelio has up an interview with EW. Actor Josh McDermitt has one, too, as well as one with The Hollywood Reporter. Merritt Wever has an interview up with E!Online. Merritt also has one up with EW and TV Line.

Over at TV Line, the latest Matt’s Inside Line has spoilers on shows Supergirl/The Flash, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Once Upon A Time, and Fear the Walking Dead.

In EW’s latest Spoiler Room, you can find spoilers on shows Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., The Walking Dead, Supergirl/The Flash, The Vampire Diaries, and Supernatural.

Supernatural (Wednesday nights, 9pm, CW)
By Paula R. Stiles

This week’s episode is “Red Meat.” So far, we have a CW promo, official photos and an official synopsis for it.

Titles so far for the season are “Out of the Darkness, Into the Fire” (11.01), “Form and Void” (11.02), “The Bad Seed” (11.03), “Baby” (11.04), “Thin Lizzie” (11.05), “Our Little World” (11.06), “Plush” (11.07), “Just My Imagination” (11.08), “O Brother Where Art Thou?” (11.09), “The Devil in the Details” (11.10), “The Sound of Silence” (now “Into the Mystic” 11.11), “Don’t You Forget About Me” (11.12), “Love Hurts” (11.13), “The Vessel” (11.14), “Beyond the Mat” (11.15), “Safe House” (11.16), “Red Meat” (11.17), “Hell’s Angel” (11.18), and “The Chitters” (11.19).

Some late sneak peeks came out for “Safe House” last week.

The synopsis for next week’s episode, “Hell’s Angel” (11.18) is out:

“Hell’s Angel” – (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET) (Content Rating TBD) (HDTV)

THE EPIC BATTLE FOR POWER BEGINS – Lucifer (Misha Collins) takes a trip home and tries to assert himself into Heaven. Crowley (Mark A. Sheppard) tells Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) he has a way to take down Amara (guest star Emily Swallows). Phil Sgriccia directed the episode written by Brad Buckner and Eugenie Ross-Leming (#1118). Original airdate


Episode 11.22 will be directed by John Badham.

There’s a new interview with Marie Avgeropoulos, who played a cheerleader who was drowned in a toilet in “After School Special.”

Last week’s episode, “Safe House,” got a 0.6/2 and 1.69 million in audience, which isn’t too bad, considering it was Easter Week and Arrow hit a series low.

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18 Comments on “Whispers, Spoilers & Speculation Corner: 03/28/16: Easter Edition”

  1. evave2

    This is kind of a technical question for Paula.

    Were all the scenes of Sam and Amelia shot at once and then edited in? My husband was watching the TNT rewatch yesterday and he said, oh it’s HER.

    And they did not know how unpopular it was? Jessica the character grabbed me immediately and I loved her every time they brought her back.

    For me, it wasn’t Sam saying, Something I never had before, it was that the two characters also did not work together.

    I was reading luxshine’s commentary on Year1of SPN and I just wanted to make sure, Paula, that I understood what you understand to be Kripke’s 5-yr plan: He basically started with Sam going on the road with Dean after Jessica died, then they find John and Dad died. The Roadhouse and Ellen and Jo and Ash were pushed on him by the network to ‘open’ the show out? The go-to person was going to be Missouri and when the actress was unavailable they put in Bobby and the whole surrogate-father thing came out of that, just grew like Topsy?
    Bela was pushed on them in Season 3, but Ruby was always in the works? I ‘know’ that Sam was supposed to save Dean from going to hell but that he was ‘somehow’ supposed to be ‘damned’ in the process? And Dean was supposed to spend Season 4 getting Sam back to the light? And Season 5 they were both supposed to jump into the hole and save the world?

    The season 1-2 rewatches I have done with my husband are informative to me, because he is nowhere near as invested as I am, and he said this was very much Sam’s story and how things affected him. BUT he agrees with me that the impetus of the show is with Dean, that Jensen brings the viewer to HIM in almost every scene.

    Talking with him I can understand how the writers are ‘Sam fans’ because his story drives the narrative BUT Dean’s emotional journey can not actually be plotted out. It all depends on Jensen’s acting.

    It seems like the directors are Dean fans and the writers are Sam fans. Like I did not know that Dean spent all last season turning into a demon and Sam was right! It seemed to me that Dean was hanging in there as a human until the end of the season when Charlie died.

    Anyway, I am pro- the idea that Amara has ‘feelings’ for Dean, he is the ‘righteous man’ God’s favorite, heck more righteous than Michael. (And I just don’t believe that God ‘trusted’ Lucifer more than Michael. IF God is “GOD” he always knew Lucifer would betray him.)

    1. Paula R. Stiles

      I honestly do not know how or when the Samelia episodes were shot in comparison to other episode shots. We do know that multiple scenes can be shot at once to be inserted into several episodes, but it’s not always clear when they do that. For example, it appears that Purgatory was filmed as they went along and not all at once because Jim Michaels and other production people would tweet Purgatory locations in tech surveys for different episodes.

      We used to get more information from the season companions and the magazine, but both of those have been phased out. The occasional coffee table books we get now are a bit more regurgatative and nostalgic than analytical of what’s going on now.

      Kripke didn’t have a five-year plan. He first started talking about one in season three, but he also would talk about, say, having ditched the Psykids early and originally intending for Sam to go dark at the end of season three to save Dean from his deal. And, of course, the angels were a big, unintended left turn.

      What he basically seems to have had was the usual cocktail napkin multi-season plan that the network execs expect. Much, much later, Kripke admitted that this basically boiled down to defeating a demon, then a higher demon, then a still-higher-level demon, until they got to the Devil himself.

      The Roadhouse and Bela were both acknowledged (by the showrunners) network inserts. In the first case, the network felt that having only two regular characters was too claustrophobic and they needed to open things up more. In the second case, then-network head Dawn Ostroff wanted more female semi-regulars (along the lines of the type of character *she* wanted and not someone like, say, Ellen), so the writers quickly upgraded a one-shot (Bela) to a recurring regular. And both Bela and Ruby ended up on the season three DVD cover as a result.

      Your husband is correct–Sam was always the Hero in Kripke’s original plan. Dean wasn’t even a lead in the original pilot scripts. He was more of an antagonist.

      It’s difficult to say how Dean became such a prominent character (aside from the double casting, and Jensen Ackles’ strong and consistent performance). Kim Manners’ support probably had a lot to do with it.

  2. evave2

    If the Samelia episodes weren’t all shot at the same time, they look like it. The color scheme is just so bright, and it all seems to have the same ‘tempo.’ I don’t know if I am right, maybe it was shot over multiple times but by the same secondary director?

    I liked the Roadhouse and the “Hunter’s Network” it showcased. I can totally believe that (in the Supernatural Universe) people (like Chrissie’s dad) saw someone they love killed by ‘something’ and going out to prevent it from happening to others. All Hunters are somewhat ‘hard’ characters but it is a hard life and I appreciate their toughness.

    Bela could have been interesting, except every step of the way she acted against her own interests. She backed Lilith and if she had helped Sam and Dean it could have been a way to avoid Dean going to hell (which is what I gather was Kripke’s original plan). Maybe they could have shot Hellhounds using The Colt? Lauren Cohan is a good actress and I would’ve preferred her as a so-so character rather than what they turned her into. Even with the backstory I did not have much sympathy for Bela.

    I can’t get with the idea at all that Dean was going to be Sam’s antagonist. I have read two pilot scripts and while Dean is sketchy I never saw him as an antagonist. Wow to that.

    I grew to like Jo (I always like Ellen, she was more my age, my demographic) and you said you almost never watched another episode BUT I believe I saw her ‘die’ before I saw her in the show and ‘remembered’ how much I liked her by the end. Watching from the middle is not particularly good for continuity.

  3. evave2

    I liked last night’s episode more than you did. I really really liked the side actors. I will wait for complete IMDB listing to find out who played the husband and wife. The woman always plays goofy friends in commercials. I believed her husband loved her enough to kill for her.

    As for Sam’s multiple ‘deaths’ in the episode, my husband said, at least he wasn’t tied to a chair. He liked it, he was unhappy when the doctor died. The cop was believable to me (I am constantly surprised one of our trigger-happy American cops have not shot either Sam or Dean). I did not like bartender/bouncer werewolf bits.

    Golly, I did like the doctor. And it also seemed she would not press charges against Dean. (Remember the concussion? Dean could have been messed up. By the end of the episode, it was hard to judge who had been hurt more.) I actually liked her a little more than the doctor in Croatoan. BTW, I read that people thought the ‘hospital’ was empty. It was an urgent care, lots of those only have 1 or 2 people on call.

    The ratings weren’t worse than last week, so there was that.

    1. Paula R. Stiles

      That hospital should have had a lot more people than it did. Urgent care has lots more staff than that.

      The doctor was basically a ripoff the character from “Croatoan,” just as the cop was their generic Annoying Rural Cop Cannon Fodder. Neither of them will be pressing charges against Dean since Horribly Acted Pointless Werewolf Hubby whacked them both.

      Sam’s injuries (and Dean’s, for that matter) passed Medically Ludicrous into Downright Stupid territory about twenty minutes in. I was honestly embarrassed for the writers. Do a *little* research guys, jeez.

      The pacing was very weird. I didn’t like the way this one was directed. Everything was frenetic and had all the gravity of a Road Runner cartoon.

      1. Marisol

        I thought the pacing was weird, too. The direction seemed scattered, stronger at the beginning and just plain off and clumsy at the end. Then the writing–mercy! It was like two people wrote it in different rooms, different galaxies, using separate outlines. It’s an embarrassment that the whole thing even made it into production as it stood.

        Yet, I didn’t hate all of it, just some of it. Though I could have gone all day without seeing JA vomit everywhere. I mean, why the great detail and realism, or what SPN calls realism, in Dean’s death scene when they threw all that into the wind throughout the whole rest of the episode. Just off balance all the way around.

        On the whole though, it’s been a pretty good season. There have been more episodes I liked than not.

        1. Paula R. Stiles

          The episode felt like “Bugs,” in that there were some potentially good things in there (and the idea was actually very good), but it was all a big mess. The writers made no attempts whatsoever at medical research and then exacerbated that with Sam’s utterly ridiculous stalk-and-kill with the werewolves. And why wasn’t Sam talking to Billie? Was it just to emphasize his pointlessness in the mytharc because if so, it succeeded.

          It seemed that there were far too many elements that were not properly played out, so the whole thing felt rushed. They should have cut out all the werewolves, plus the annoying husband, after Sam got shot.

          There were not nearly enough medical personnel in the hospital and they wouldn’t roll Dean onto his back while he was seizing and vomiting (not really sure why he was seizing, but okay), since he would choke. Plus, they would secure his airway a lot sooner in a code. Oh, and cracked ribs and a severe concussion are nothing to sneeze at. Writers, if you don’t intend to address and properly resolve a conflict or roadblock in the story, don’t introduce it. And don’t “resolve” it by introducing something else and then ignoring the previous conflict, rinse, wash, repeat.

          I also really, really hated how the cast have been trying to advance awareness of mental illness and suicide, and the writers were totally insensitive about that in this episode. You’d think Dabb would have done *some* research on the topic since “Sam, Interrupted,” but I guess not. Dean should have woken up the *first* time in restraints with a 72-hour hold (minimum) and a mandatory appointment with an in-house shrink. His suicide attempt (which was quite serious) should have been treated with far more sensitivity. Deputy Jackass shouldn’t have even been involved.

          Billie is increasingly pointless and starting to annoy. I miss the old Death. He was actually scary–and a lot more informative. Also, I am tired of the whole “Dean just wants Sam alive for selfish reasons.” You know what? Dean saves a lot of people and the whole world on Sundays. If his big Achilles Heel is having Sam around, that’s a tiny price to pay. Screw Billie and her sociopathic Reaper tunnel vision.

          1. Marisol

            Yes. You said it all (and did the typing, thank you!). Spn is never very good at showing real life consequences to real life pain and agony. I mean, S & D are truly supernatural in their ability to not only come back from the dead, but also recover from small to devastating medical issues with a snap of the fingers. In this episode, they took that to the extreme.

            Agree, too, about Billie. She does have a certain amount of menace but so far she has met them three times and has yet to act on any of her threats. She’s losing power as a character every time she shows up and after this episode, she just became boring. Though, come to think of it, her presence was actually stupider in the hell episode.

            Yeah, can’t help but wonder what the deal is with these writers sometimes–or directors. Bugs was pretty bad, and that was Kim Manners, so ? . No answer to that. I do get a laugh every time I see the umbrellas though.

  4. evave2

    It was the ‘new’ woman director (Ms Lopez); is this her first episode?

    Husband thought that Sam got the second wolf kill (the woman) because she did not ‘know’ she’d be running into him down the stairs.

    The only way they could explain Sam’s ‘miraculous’ recovery (and maybe Dean’s too) would be if Amara (next time she runs into them/Dean) said I saved your Sammy, I know how much you love him. Would that work for you? And the doctor’s gobbledegook was just gobbledegook because s/he could not explain how Sam survived. Not that she healed Sam, just brought him back.

    I really really REALLY like Michelle and the doctor; I think doctor was a better character (actress?) than the Croatoan doctor, who seemed stiffer.

    I meant that IF the doctor and the sheriff weren’t dead the next scene she would not have pressed charges anyway citing Dean’s concussion and diminished capacity.

  5. evave2

    Well, she got two really good performances from the women in the show.

    And I thought she got a good performance from Jensen. Of course, I really can’t ever think of a ‘bad’ performance. (I always loved him for ‘going there’ with the I saw a kitty scream in Ghost Fever. Really a brave actor.)

  6. castiels cat

    Evasive the point of last season was not Sam was right. Sam was very wrong. Sam went dark.
    Dean really didn’t.
    How can I say that. Sam didn’t question himself after things went sideways. Dean did. Sam didn’t regret his actions. Dean did.

    If Dean was truly out of Control Castiel would be dead, he wouldn’t have felt responsible for Rudy and Sam would have died.

    Then this season we see Sam taking responsibility for the Darkness

    Would Dean have become a,demon. Sure. However demon Dean was a far sight more heroic than Sam last season.

    And the Mark is still in play. The bond between Dean and Amara is proof of this. I think that the emphasis on vigils to defeat baddies also suggests Dean taking the Mark is the answer.

    The episode was ridiculous overall. Boy was Sam extraneous. Definite callback to season 6 especially which was the season that ended with Dean losing Cas and had soulless Sam. I was struck by how matter of fact Dean was about killing himself. To me it emphasizes how Dean remains other than human. Sam in contrast was overcoming his human frailty.

    I also thought Dean was dealing with Sam’s death rather well. He was upset but none of the desperate mania that used to happen. Season 2, season 6, season 7, season 9… He was all about Sam. He wasn’t all about Sam in this episode. I am not sure it’s growth yet. I the he’s distracted by his feelings for Amara.

    The direction has been very important this season and can elevate a mediocre script (Oh Brother Where Art Thou).

  7. evave2

    Yo Paula: in our election Ted Cruz just said that Donald Trump says he will bring back jobs by waving a magic wan and throwing a bunch of “pixie dicks” and my husband and I just burst out laughing and HE said, I wish that they would have Dean read a supernatural magic-recipe and say that.

    Oh sweet Jesus.

      1. Castiel’s Cat

        Yes. Go to TV for the Rest of us. Hit authors an hit P.S.Griffin.

        I have reviewed through Just a my Imagination. Working on double review for midseason.

        I thought you had forsaken me.

        My long post disagrees that last season was about Dean being dark. Sam went dark. Dean actually felt guilt over his, actions and stopped being kill crazy. Sam kept on trucking. If Dean was out of control he would have killed Cas abd, Sam. He would not have contacted death and he certainly wouldn’t have felt bad about Rudy.

        Sam went dark and, released the Darkness and got a redemption arc.

        Dean actually is grappling with his attraction to the Darkness. He always been inherently dark aND felt guilty about it despite the fact that his moral compass stays intact. His storyline will be about accepting his Darkness and losing the low self worth that drives him to do reckless things he believes will hurt him or sacrifice his life for sam.

        So Dean dark storyline is one if self acceptance and possibly recognizin Dean’s inhuman status.

        Sam dark storyline is the opposite. Sam recognizes he f’d up and trues to change, apologize, seek redemption.

        1. evave2

          The ‘worldwideweb’ is so funny. I write these witty and wise missives and they just go poof.

          I’ll head over to tv for the rest of us.

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