TV Spoilers & Speculation Corner: 11/30/11

This week, we have spoilers for Once Upon a Time,  Doctor Who and Supernatural:

Once Upon a Time (Sunday nights, 8pm, ABC)
By Heather S. Vina

The promo for next week’s episode, “The Shepherd”, is up on YouTube.

The TV Guide site accidentally spilled who dies in their latest spoiler column. It’s since been edited, but it originally read like this:

“I am going to miss Gus on Breaking Bad, but I am so glad Giancarlo Esposito is going to be on Once Upon a Time. What can you tell me about that role? – Brad”

ADAM: He plays the Evil Queen’s Magic Mirror. But like every character on the show, he has a different role in the non-fairy tale world, where he works as a newspaper editor named Sidney. Unlike his mystical counterpart, Sidney doesn’t speak the truth, but rather prints whatever the Evil Queen/Mayor wants him to – especially when a suspicious fire kills the town sheriff.”

So, it is the Sheriff, after all! I wonder if Regina kills him because he is supporting Emma. She definitely wasn’t very happy to find out that he had hired Emma as his deputy!

TV Guide also has released the first picture of Emilie de Ravin as Belle. Glad to see that she’s a brunette! And she’s wearing the iconic yellow dress, too!

TVGuide Mega Buzz had a little spoiler in last week’s edition:

“I really wish Once Upon a Time would do more with Breaking Bad‘s Giancarlo Esposito. – Elaine”

NATALIE: Your wish will soon come true! (Note: That’s also a hint.) Once will bring Esposito back after the New Year, executive producer Adam Horowitz promises. “His origin story will hopefully be very surprising to people; [we’ll find out] who he is, who he was and how he got in the mirror,” he says.”

E! Online had a few spoilers for it in their latest spoiler chat.

“@chervil: Anything on Once Upon a Time please! When will we found out more about Mr. Gold?”

“We’ll learn more about Mr. Gold (the ah-mah-zing Robert Carlyle), and his fairy-tale counterpart Rumpelstiltskin, in episode eight, penned by Jane Espenson! ‘Some crucial facts about where Rumpel comes from’ are revealed in the episode, Espenson tells us. As for whether or not he’s truly evil, that remains to be seen. ‘He’s a wild card,’ she says. ‘His ulterior motives are still always very complicated.'”

“@ddwordnerd: Once Upon a Time, please! I am obsessed with this show!”

“We are too, so clearly, you have flawless taste in television. Congrats! Remember that deal Emma (Jennifer Morrison) made with Mr. Gold? “He’s going to hold onto that for a while,” Espenson teases. “He’s going to make sure that’s paid off when he can get the maximum bang.””

OLTV had a cute on-set picture of Ginnifer Goodwin and Josh Dallas.

According to SpoilerTV, the following are the titles for episodes 10-12:

Episode 1.10 – 7:15am

Episode 1.11 – The Fruit of the Poisonous Tree

Episode 1.12 – Skin Deep

According to a poster on Fanforum who read the sides for episode 1.09, Henry will develop a crush on Gretel’s Storybrooke self! This poster also goes into detail on the sides for the Stranger role, and mentions how Emma and Henry will have a conversation about his father.

And ABC has announced that Josh Dallas will do a live Twitter chat on December 4th for the episode, in both the East Coast and West Coast airings!


“Fans of ABC’s new hit drama, Once Upon a Time, will be able to submit questions and receive real-time responses from actor Josh Dallas (Prince Charming/David), who will be up on Twitter at @joshdallas, during the East and West Coast broadcasts of the show on SUNDAY, DECEMBER 4 from 8:00-9:00 p.m., ET/PT. Dallas will also offer commentary and behind-the-scenes anecdotes about working on the show.”

As for the ratings, they were down a bit from the show’s previous episode two weeks ago to a 3.4/8 in the coveted demos, and 10.66 million viewers, but not a huge amount, and it’s still had a far smaller decrease than any other new show. I can’t imagine this show not being picked up for a second season!

Doctor Who (Saturday nights, 9pm, BBC America)
By Heather S. Vina

So, Karen Gillian confirmed to the Press Association that she and Arthur Darvill are only making cameo appearances in this year’s Christmas special: “Amy is in the Christmas special, with her husband Rory. It’s a cameo appearance, but we’re in there,” she told the Press Association. “It was really fun. I think we were only down for one evening, just came on set and ran around on set like we always do. It was like we never left. It was great fun.”

Which makes me wonder about her and Arthur’s continuance in the next season. Are Amy and Rory really done as Companions? I will miss them if they are gone, but I appreciate that they had a good ending. Not many Companions get that. It’s either against their will (Sarah Jane, Jack the first time, Rose, Donna) or that they are leaving for some angsty reason (Martha). I know that it wasn’t Amy and Rory’s choice, but in the end, Amy didn’t fight too hard and I think Rory was only going because Amy was, not because he really wanted to. I think both realised that it was time for them to start their lives together on Earth. Part of me kind of hopes that they don’t come back, because I liked their ending so much. But I do hope that the Doctor visits them, that this isn’t one of those times where he leaves his Companions behind and he never visits them, again (Sarah Jane comes to mind).

Spoiler TV has the promotional photos up for the Christmas special here.

And finally, Steven Moffat pretty much confirmed that there is no new series/season of the show until late 2012. Sigh.

At least, we still have the Christmas special to look forward to!

Supernatural (Friday nights, 9pm, CW)
By Paula R. Stiles

Post-Thanksgiving, with one new episode left for 2011 (Relax. The show comes back on January 6 with 7.11), and what we’ve got here is a whole lotta leftover turkey.

First up in the spoilers timeline is a rather confusing mini-interview with Megan Ory, in which we find out that she’s a prostitute who works out of a truck stop (Oh, poor Dean) who gets Sam to help her with a supernatural problem.

Then we have another non-spoilery spoiler from Ask Kristin about 7.10, stating that Bobby will be in “Purgatory” and will encounter Rufus. Many fans have pointed out that this makes no sense, as Bobby is not a monster and only monster souls go to Purgatory. I suppose it’s possible that Bobby could now be a Purgatory denizen who hitched a ride (like Bobby’s girlfriend last year) or even a Leviathan, but signs indicate otherwise – little things like Bobby’s blood being red in the CW promo for the episode. Or the other Leviathans treating him as an enemy (though there were all those demons who hated Ruby because she was undercover). That said, the Ask Kristin column, which is more of a team effort like Betty Crocker than a single writer, has frequently got things wrong and has appeared to cadge old spoilers then spin them to make them look like an inside scoop. In support of the “got things wrong” theory, Comment #71 on the article, which was signed by someone claiming to be Jim Beaver (and who does sound an awful lot like him), had this to say:

“71. Jim Beaver Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 1:37 PM

The Supernatural script I shot had no mention of purgatory that I recall. The episode does NOT take place there. It is, by the way, one of the best scripts I’ve ever worked on. A real pleasure to read and to film.”

Due to the other evidence (notably, the blood) and that particular column’s questionable track record, I am inclined to believe the writer of the column just plain didn’t know the significance of “Purgatory” in the show, or didn’t care, or (even more annoying) put that in there to rile up fans and get more hits.

No clips yet for the episode (Late edit: But the Canadian promo is now up. Looks like Dean’s going to try to strongarm a supernatural figure again), which is annoying. I know we just came off a holiday week, but this is the midseason finale and is supposed to be a major episode coming after a mini-hiatus. Is it going to get any promotion this week?

Further apropos to Bobby’s possible survival, Jim Michaels has been talking about the show coming back to film this week after its usual brief hiatus for Thanksgiving (apparently through December 17th) and Canadagraphs got some photographs of Jensen Ackles returning to Vancouver. Meanwhile, Jim Beaver, who has been in Japan, was also tweeting about being sick. He mentioned on the 27th (Sunday) that he had time off, but “I’m off for another week or two. Plenty time to get well. Then things get crazy. Very crazy.” One could say that he has other projects, or is gearing up for the holidays, of course, but since he hasn’t mentioned any new ones (and the show usually films well into December), it looks as though Bobby probably won’t die, but may be missing from the first two or three episodes following the break.

Remember that really godawful title for 7.14 (“Plucky Pennywhistle’s Magical Menagerie”)? Well, it’s still there and we’re getting some more info on the episode. According to SpoilerTV, there will be a character named “Howard” and according to Ask Ausiello: “During an upcoming visit to Plucky Pennywhistle’s Magical Menagerie – think Chuck-E-Cheese minus Chuck and possibly also the cheese – the Winchesters will run afoul of an employee who comes off like Peter Pan…but underneath is probably more like Captain Hook.” I’m guessing the employee in question is Howard.

Another late edit: Ausiello is reporting that Dean will be the one getting spectacularly laid in 7.13. I don’t know why there’s so much bellyaching about this on LJ. I’m all for seeing Dean get some wild and crazy sex, and his getting a smile on his face for once. Wall-banging sex followed by evil cult action? Sure, the show could blow the execution, but the premise sounds like good, low-budget-horror fun to me. And no more Sambot getting any sleazy freebies from hookers works for me, too.

Very late edit: I got my TV Guide late this week, so it figures it actually has some spoilery info, as well as a brief interview with Bob Singer (and a photo from 7.09). Here you get it, in full (Some of this stuff we already know):

“Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) are on the run, but is there any place left to hide? The brothers learn that the conspiracy of the Leviathans, the jaw-snapping monsters that Castiel (Misha Collins) accidentally unleashed, has infiltrated the highest ranks of corporate and political power. ‘A new civilization is closing in on our guys, and they’re not quite equipped to deal with it,’ says exec producer Robert Singer. ‘It’s not just two guys in an Impala doing good work unnoticed. They are on the radar of these Leviathans, and that’s a dangerous place for them to be.’ To make matters worse, Sam still must deal with the Devil in his head, and in time-traveling episodes the Winchesters will face real-life G-man Eliot Ness (X-Files alum Nicholas Lea) and the legendary female warriors the Amazons. And there’s some hope for fans of Castiel, who was seemingly killed off by the Leviathans: ‘We hope Misha Collins will be back,’ Singer reveals. Sounds heavenly.”

The only really new spoiler here is that the “cult” in 7.13 will be Amazons. And someone besides Nick Lea has finally confirmed that he will be playing Eliot Ness. As for the rest, the hyperbole about the exceedingly underwhelming “Rise of Dick” gives us an idea of how to judge the rest. Don’t expect any society-changing stuff (“A new civilization”? Really?) from the Leviathans or much more than the usual MOTW grab-and-tickle, extended over the course of at least a season, with the brothers. Similarly, Sam’s Hellpain looks to get about as much coverage in future as it’s getting now, which is not all that much (and I can’t say I’d want to see any more at this point, anyway).

As for the stuff about Castiel, it’s basically just a tease, but I do find it curious that they are still teasing that much nearly halfway into the season. And Singer does make a good point that Castiel’s “death” was left very open. We didn’t even see him burst (even if bursting weren’t already something that had happened to him).

Finally, the show was preempted for Black Friday last week and its replacement, Olive the Other Reindeer, got a terrible 0.2 and 1.12 million (dropping heavily from Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer‘s healthier 0.5 and 1.76 million at 8pm, which was close to what Nikita usually gets in that slot). Just in case anyone was thinking Supernatural is doing poorly in its time slot – no other CW show that gets stuck there does any better, or even as well. Even Supernatural repeats do better than Olive. Nikita fans, on the other hand, might want to worry, if a holiday repeat can do as well on a holiday week as a first-run episode of Nikita in an ordinary week.

Also, Supernatural‘s DVR+7 ratings from 11/11/11 are in. It went up from a 0.8 to a 1.2. This seems to be pretty steady for the show, indicating it gets the same audience every week, even if some of them choose to DVR rather than watch the same night. Otaku (formerly, Stupid Colt) on Television without Pity did an interesting analysis of Supernatural‘s ratings drop two weeks ago, as well as pointing out that the show has only lost around 600 thousand viewers in six years. This is about a quarter of the audience, which is less, percentage-wise, than shows of a similar age like CSI (which has lost over half of its audience in the same time) and Desperate Housewives. I’ve seen fans cite NCIS as an exception without acknowledging that it, like Supernatural, is an exception and definitely not the rule (and exceptions are always seen as models to study, regardless of how many total viewers they get).

Otaku also talked about how the two shows that took a hit that week (Supernatural and Kitchen Nightmares) both skewed younger in their audience than other shows on Friday nights and Breaking Dawn premiered that night. In further support of the idea that hundreds of thousands of Supernatural fans might also be Twilight fans who went to the movies that night, look at how Supernatural held up much better behind The Vampire Diaries (which has almost self-explanatory crossover appeal with Twilight) than Nikita did, and against worse competition. So, Supernatural could easily have taken a hit just for that week due to the new Twilight film. We’ll know more when the DVR+7 ratings come out.

We’ll be back next week with more spoilers. Stay tuned and check out our reviews of Game of Thrones, Doctor Who, Torchwood, The Event, Once Upon a Time, and Supernatural.

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