TV Spoilers & Speculation Corner: 11/16/11

This week, we have spoilers for Once Upon a TimeDoctor Who and Supernatural:

Once Upon a Time (Sunday nights, 8pm, ABC)
By Heather S. Vina

Well, it seems like the site, Spoilersguide, was correct in its spoilers, judging by the ABC press release for the episode “The Shepherd”, airing on December 4:


“‘The Shepherd’ – David – AKA John Doe – must choose between staying with Kathryn or leaving her to be with Mary Margaret, with whom he’s fallen deeply, and inexplicably, in love; and Emma catches Sheriff Graham in a lie. Meanwhile, back in the fairytale world that was, Prince Charming is about to encounter a life-changing event that will forever alter his destiny, on Once Upon a Time, SUNDAY, DECEMBER 4 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.

Once Upon a Time stars Ginnifer Goodwin as Snow White/Mary Margaret, Jennifer Morrison as Emma Swan, Robert Carlyle as Rumplestiltskin/Mr. Gold, Lana Parrilla as Evil Queen/Regina, Jared Gilmore as Henry Mills, Josh Dallas as Prince Charming/David and Raphael Sbarge as Jiminy Cricket/Archie Hopper.

Guest starring are Jamie Dornan as Sheriff Graham, Anastasia Griffith as Kathryn/Regal Blonde, David Anders as Dr. Whale, Alex Zahara as Midas/Nobleman, Alan Dale as King George, Ian Butcher as Burly Knight, Gabrielle Rose as Ruth/Peasant Woman, Demord Dann as Aide, Matthew MacCaull as Knight No. 1, and Robert Maillet as Behemoth.

“‘The Shepherd’ was written by Andrew Chambliss & Ian Goldberg and directed by Victor Nelli.

Kristin’s spoiler chat over at E! Online has a few tidbits up for the show”

“@fatherdowling I’m obsessed with #OnceUponaTime. Scoop please!
Hearing that Emma (Jennifer Morrison) will battle it out with the newspaper editor for a very important law-enforcement job. And Emma’s arrangement/deal with Mr. Gold (Robert Carlyle) will get more complicated than even she knows. That all goes down in the Rumplestiltskin origin episode.

“@JWhere15: @KristinDSantos once upon a time info please!!! Which story book character is the Sheriff? Is he good or bad? Last night confused me!
He is not good.”

The “law-enforcement job” that Emma is running for is Sheriff. There’s a picture released (you can see it here on the OUPaT Tumblr) that shows Mary putting up a “Swan for Sheriff” sign and David putting up one supporting Sidney for Sheriff.

As to the last: I have to say that seeing the Sheriff literally in bed with Regina, is making me lean towards him actually being bad. Plus, there is a picture out there of him face-to-face with a Wolf and looking a little intrigued by it, which could point to him being the Big Bad Wolf, after all. I go back and forth on it, still, but the fact that he’s involved with Regina does make me lean more towards the “bad” choice, rather than the “morally grey” choice that I was leaning towards before.

The Nick Lea site has announced that Nicholas Lea has been cast as Hansel and Gretel’s father. Apparently, when he’s in the real world, he’s a mechanic. No word on whether or not the little family is together in the real world. I’m curious about that one. We know that couples have been split up, but it’s been iffy on whether or not biological families are split up. Of course, Charming and Snow White are split from their daughter, but that was before they changed worlds. Gepetto and Pinocchio are split up. But Red Riding Hood and Granny are still together, and Prince Thomas and his father were still together. So, it could go either way. has some collected spoilers up on their page. My favourite is the one Josh Dallas revealed about father-and-daughter Charming/David and Emma running into each other at a party, but Josh assuring that there would be no attraction there. Thank goodness, LOL! But I am intrigued by the idea of father and daughter interacting more.

They also reveal that we will see how the Evil Queen got her hands on the apple she poisoned Snow White with (I always thought it was just a regular apple she put poison in), and this one, another one I am intrigued by, with Josh Dallas suggesting that Prince Charming might have a twin:

“There might be a Prince-and-the-Pauper kind of thing with Prince Charming,” hints Josh. “It’s all connected to his backstory. You find out where he came from, who his parents may or may not be. Maybe he has a brother.” But that revelation is something that Snow has yet to figure out. “Snow White only knows the Prince Charming that’s been presented to her,” teases Ginnifer Goodwin.

I’m not sure what to think of that one.

Canadagraphs posted this on their twitter: “Out at the #OnceUponATime set for a bit. Sa Henry, Emma and the Sherriff doing scenes. Also saw “Prince Thomas” breifly.”

So Prince Thomas will be back, and it sounds like the Sheriff is still around. Not real thrilled about Prince Thomas, since the character was kind of lame and the actor bad. But this definitely seems to point to the Sheriff not being the one killed.

TVLine has a video interview with Jennifer Morrison up here where she talks about Emma’s relationships with Mary and Henry, whether or not Emma will have this “click” where she buys into Henry’s theory (as of episode 1.11, it hasn’t happened yet), whether or not anyone from Emma’s past will come looking for her (probably not, since Emma has been a loner all of her life), whether or not Henry’s father will show up (probably not for a very long time), that one of her favourite episodes is 1.07 (She can’t tease about it, but it’s the episode right before the holiday break and a lot is happening in it, so there will be cliffhangers in it), and whether or not the Sheriff is the Huntsman or the Big Bad Wolf (she couldn’t tease who he is, but it will be revealed this season).

Also, according to them, the fall finale will air on December 11.

The ratings for this past episode were, again, really good, and held steady: 3.8 (4.0, 3.9, 3.8) and 11.36 million (12.93, 11.74, 11.45). The show is holding steady on the all-important demos and has barely lost a million in its fourth week out. That’s excellent for a new show. Most new shows fall a lot more than this in their first few weeks. The fact that the show is holding solid ratings, and hasn’t even fallen more than 0.2 in the all-important demo from its premiere episode, has got to be a happy sign for ABC.

Doctor Who (Saturday nights, 9pm, BBC America)
By Heather S. Vina is reporting that director David Yates (Harry Potter And the Order of the Phoenix) is working with Jane Tranter, head of LA-based BBC Worldwide Prods, to develop a big screen version of Doctor Who. He stated that it will take 2-3 years to develop, and they are looking at both British and American writers.

The biggest concern for me is these quotes from the article:

Yates made clear that his movie adaptation would not follow on from the current TV series, but would take a completely fresh approach to the material.

“Russell T. Davies and then Steven Moffat have done their own transformations, which were fantastic, but we have to put that aside and start from scratch,” he said.

That doesn’t thrill me or fill me with anything other than foreboding. I don’t need the show reboot by someone else for a big screen movie. I love the show the way that it is, and it already feels like a mini-movie every episode. So, this guy coming in and arrogantly stating, “Yeah, those guys did it, but I can do it better and make it bigger, so forget about them and what they’ve done,” just really irritates me. It feels like another case of a big ego coming along, suborning a popular icon’s name and then completely changing everything that people loved about it, but still trying to sell it under that name when it’s nothing like it, anymore.

I don’t need to see this guy’s spin on Doctor Who. The fact that he seems to think that he can do it better than it’s being done right now just makes me already dislike him and his “vision”.

Go act like you’re better than someone else in another world, David Yates, and leave one of my favourites alone.

Then again…this Blastr report reports that maybe it’s not as done a deal as Yates is making it out to sound. BBC executive Edward Russell tweeted, “Off Twitter for a few hours and the Doctor Who world explodes. There’s always talk of a movie. Perhaps? Maybe one day. But not right now!” And the official Doctor Who magazine tweeted, “To those hearing Doctor Who movie rumours, it’s just the same rumours which have been going round for years. Nothing’s currently happening!”

So, who knows at this point? All I know for sure is that David Yates has completely turned me off of the idea of him working on Doctor Who. So, for me, I’m hoping it is dead in the water, already.

Supernatural (Friday nights, 9pm, CW)
By Paula R. Stiles

Bringing it in from last week, there’s a short interview with Sera Gamble, and another sneak peak, of 7.08.

Then there’s a CW promo, a Canadian promo, and a preview clip up for 7.09 (“How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters”), about the brothers and Bobby hunting the Jersey Devil. The CW promo is rather dull, except for a very brief shot of a zombie at the end. The Canadian promo appears to show a before-and-after victim, but not much else. The preview is more interesting. It involves the brothers searching for (and finding) a victim, while talking with Bobby about going hunting with him when they were children. That Bobby knew them as children is referenced in season one’s “Devil’s Trap” and season three’s “A Very Supernatural Christmas”. He also talks about how they refused to shoot at deer (Dean’s aversion to hunting and killing animals came up as early as season one’s “Wendigo”). Dean makes a comment about hunting Bambi and Bobby snarks back that you don’t hunt Bambi but Bambi’s mom (Actually, considering the difficulty in getting a doe license, you usually hunt Adult Bambi).

The title for 7.13 has changed from “Knocked Up” to “The Slice Girls” and apparently involves a female cult, as well as one of the women having a one night stand with one of the brothers. Please not Sam. He’s still way over his limit for sleazy sex from season six, and lousy romantic choices, thanks to Amy and Becky. The second title is as dumb and sexist as the first, but I’d be willing to forgive a lot if they did a good job with, say, an evil Druid cult (Why, yes, I’m a big fan of old 80s Canadian horror show, Friday the 13th: The Series. Why do you ask?). Jared Padalecki also tweeted a photo he said was from 7.13, with the caption: “Sam gets electrocuted.” Man, if you think his hair is out of control, usually…Anyway, if they are currently filming 7.13, Jim Beaver does not appear to be in it, since he’s been in Japan since last week.

Apparently from the same episode, Canadagraphs posted photos of Jensen Ackles getting out of a red, 60s or 70s car, on set (Padalecki was apparently not there). He complained long and loud about the crew hiding from his taking shots, so perhaps this was a spoilery scene. I think the same car may be in this blurry photo from filming of 7.11. The same source posted photos of DJ Qualls’ last day of filming 7.08.

This is not the same episode that Megan Ory will be in (That’s 7.11). She plays a “working girl” named “Sally” who needs Sam’s help. Another hooker? Really? Sera Gamble, you should be ashamed of yourself with the way you have ramped up this show’s latent Virgin/Whore complex into outright misogyny. Knock it off.

7.16 is now “Another Man’s Treasure“.

The official synopsis for 7.10 (the midseason finale, and last episode of 2011, that airs on December 2) is out:

“Dec. 2. “SUPERNATURAL” – (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET) “Death’s Door”

“BOBBY REVISITS HIS PAST – As Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) race the clock on a high-stakes mission, Bobby (Jim Beaver) seeks the help of an unlikely old friend to solve one of the most personal cases of his life. Robert Singer directed the episode written by Sera Gamble (#710).”

I find this one a bit of a headscratcher. Don’t get me wrong – I do like Bobby. Or, at least, I like Jim Beaver. But we’ve been whacked over the head with Bobby all season and it’s getting tiring. Further, this is the midseason finale. So, why is this being advertised as a “personal” story in the middle of what should be a huge mytharc episode? One could say that the official synopsis is misleading, but I do recall that this is the same writing crew that thought it would be awesome to devote half of the season six finale to the inside of Sam’s head, in a way that had nothing whatsoever to the mytharc, while having the mytharc be about pretty much everyone but its two leads. So, colour me concerned. I don’t want to spend the bulk of the episode with Bobby, alone. I don’t even want to spend half of it with Bobby alone, or Bobby doing a swan song of his own as he gets killed off. I want to see the brothers deal with the Leviathans, already.

Julian Richings gave an interview to Inner Space, in which he talked about a new role in the upcoming Superman movie (which he’s already started filming). Hmmm, that could definitely interfere with his appearing on the show in the future, especially if his price goes up. On the other hand, Richings teased that he couldn’t talk too much about any return to Supernatural, which seems to have become actor code for: “Yeah, I’ll be back.” At least with the more major guest stars.

Finally, ratings were steady as she goes this week, despite all the grumblings over the episode itself, with a 0.8/2 and 1.85 million. And in case you needed further confirmation that the show is safe so far, TV by the Numbers is once again happy to tell us why. Plus, Live+7 DVR ratings for the last week of October (when the show was up against the last game of the World Series and the Grimm series premiere) showed that not only did Supernatural do okay in the live ratings, but all the usual people who DVR’d and watched later, still did, giving it the highest percentage increase in demo of any show that week.

So, speculation: Could Bobby be killed off in 7.10? Eh…maybe. I have wondered why they keep building him up this season, especially since they were supposedly going to strip the brothers of everything they relied on (‘Cause the fans just loooove that [/sarcasm]). But there have been so many false rumours over the years about Bobby dying that I’m skeptical. And there are rumours that Rufus will come back, so either they’re doing a ghostly duo at the end or Rufus may be saving Bobby’s life for further adventures. Or Rufus won’t actually be coming back in 7.10.

Regarding Dean’s confusion about “taking care of himself” at the end of last week, this appears to be resolving into an actual storyline. I really hope that they take Dean dark, but I also hope we’ll get to see why Dean has such a huge effect on the SPNverse and where all that strength comes from. I think it will probably have to happen by Dean first going very dark and crazy (because that always puts the cat amongst the pigeons in a very game-changing way), but he eventually will have to discover why so many people have been willing to follow him, even to the death, what there is in him that’s so remarkable. And that might not be dark at all.

We’ll be back next week with more spoilers. Stay tuned and check out our reviews of Game of Thrones, Doctor Who, Torchwood, The Event, Once Upon a Time, and Supernatural.

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