TV Spoilers & Speculation Corner: 02/01/12

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This week, we have spoilers for Once Upon a Time and Supernatural:

Once Upon a Time (Sunday nights, 8pm, ABC)
By Heather S. Vina

ABC released the synopsis for episode 1.13, “Whatever Happened to Fredrick”:

“DAVID AGREES TO TELL KATHRYN ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH MARY MARGARET AND END HIS LOVELESS MARRIAGE, AND PRINCE CHARMING AIDS ABIGAIL ON A DANGEROUS MISSION TO RECOVER SOMETHING SPECIAL THAT WAS LOST TO HER, ON ABC’S ONCE UPON A TIME:

“Alan Dale (Lost) Guest Stars as King George.

“‘What Happened to Frederick’ – With their love for each other growing stronger, David finally agrees to tell Kathryn about his relationship with Mary Margaret and put an end to his loveless marriage. Meanwhile, in the fairytale land that was, while runaway groom Prince Charming searches for Snow White, he agrees to aid Abigail on a dangerous mission to recover something precious that was lost to her, on Once Upon a Time, SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 19 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.

Once Upon a Time stars Ginnifer Goodwin as Snow White/Mary Margaret, Jennifer Morrison as Emma Swan, Robert Carlyle as Rumpelstiltskin/Mr. Gold, Lana Parrilla as Evil Queen/Regina, Jared Gilmore as Henry Mills, Josh Dallas as Prince Charming/David, and Raphael Sbarge as Jiminy Cricket/Archie Hopper.

“Guest starring are Anastasia Griffith as Kathryn/Abigail, Meghan Ory as Ruby/Red Riding Hood, Alan Dale as King George, Beverley Elliott as Granny, Eion Bailey as Stranger/August W. Booth, Aria Pullman as Siren, and Greyston Holt as Gym Teacher/Frederick.

“‘What Happened to Frederick’ was written by David H. Goodman and directed by Dean White.”

TVline has an assortment of promo shots up for this episode on their site, here.

The promo for next week’s episode, “Skin Deep”, is up on YouTube. So, Rump is the Beast of “Beauty and the Beast”? Not sure how I feel about this one. I know they’ve been changing things for a while now, but they’ve never completely changed the identity of a fairy tale couple like this. The “Beauty and the Beast” Disney movie was always one of the better ones for me, so them changing it like this isn’t sitting well with me. We’ll see.

Hollywood North On Location has up a few set pictures with Jared Gilmore, Ginnifer Goodwin, Jennifer Morrison, and Eion Bailey, as well as a few spoilers from watching them film. Apparently, by this episode, Henry has a copy of the book, again, and Henry and Emma are hanging out, again.

Kristin at E! Online has a few spoilers up in her recent column:

HelenaKirstine: Anything, anything at all on Once Upon a Time. Please!”

“Prepare for Snow White (Ginnifer Goodwin) flashbacks! We’ll be seeing Snow when she was 12, innocent enough to believe everyone is capable of the same kindness she and her father possess. Any casting suggestions?”

Nicole: Anything on Once Upon a Time?”
“Giancarlo Esposito wants you to go home right now and make sure your DVR is set to record next week’s Once Upon a Time. And you’d better listen to him. ‘I have a great storyline coming up,’ he tells us. ‘Next week, you’re going to see some fireworks between Sidney and the Evil Queen (Lana Parrilla).’ Something tells us these fireworks won’t be the good kind, like the ones Katy Perry sings to us about.”

SpoilerTV has up a casting call for three new characters for the show: the Evil Queen’s mother, who sounds equally evil and is set for a three-episode arc for next season; a Stable Boy, mid-20s, who is potentially the Evil Queen’s romantic love interest from her past; young Snow White, about 12-13 years old. I’m guessing that the Queen’s-mother, “three-episode arc for next season” comment must be a typo. Why start casting for a season you haven’t been officially picked up for, yet, when you haven’t even finished this season?

They’re also reporting that episode 1.16 will be called “Heart of Darkness” and 1.15 will be called “Red Handed“.

Matt over at TV Guide has another couple of Q&As up about the show. Seems people wrote in to him to tell him that Mary Margaret gave the book to Henry. He also mentioned that the prevailing theory about the book is that the Stranger wrote it. And then another non-answer about why time is standing still for these people and yet, they don’t notice it happening.

TV Guide is reporting that Sebastian Stan (Captain America) will be making a guest star appearance in an upcoming episode, but no details on whom he’s playing or in which episode. They also have an interview up with Giancarlo Esposito. It’s from last week, pre-this past Sunday’s episode, so most of the stuff has already happened this past week.

TVLine is “dream casting” the Evil Queen’s mom.

And Ausiello over at TVLine had a few spoilers up in his column from last week, for the show:

Question: Please, I don’t ask much. Just give us a scoop about Emma and the Stranger on Once Upon a Time. One episode and I ship them, already! – Angel”
Ausiello: In the next few episodes, the Mysterious Stranger With the Typewriter’s agenda ‘becomes clearer,’ teases co-creator Adam Horowitz, ‘as we realize he has designs on Emma – both romantically and for another reason related to the curse and more specifically to Henry’s story book.’”

Question: Any scoop on David and Mary Margaret on Once Upon A Time? – Louise”
Ausiello: They won’t waste any time taking that kiss they shared in Sunday’s episode to the next level. Horowitz confirms that they’ll soon ‘begin an affair that they know is wrong but is also, somehow, right,’ adding that, ‘Regina quickly makes sure that the cost of this true love trying to work itself out is dire.’”

The overnight ratings came out for this week’s episode and, up against lighter competition (though there was another Football show, in the NFL Pro Bowl Pre Game), the show’s ratings went up. They received a 3.4 in the demos, with 10.781 million viewers. Last week, they got a 3.2 in the demos and 9.30 million viewers.

Supernatural (Friday nights, 9pm, CW)
By Paula R. Stiles

Surprisingly, it’s been a rather slow news week, considering the show is coming off a hiatus. We didn’t even get a clip for 7.13 until today – and it’s rather blah (despite including an interview with guest star Sarah Canning that is pleasant, but not terribly informative). That is to say, it’s not the upcoming infamous sex scene, though it does make very clear that Dean and “Lydia” go all the way home, to use the usual baseball terminology. Also, if anyone thought Dean’s drinking issues had disappeared, we find out still carrying around Bobby’s silver whiskey flask (the one he found in Bobby’s stuff in 7.11), because it seems he dropped it, somehow, at Lydia’s house. Ah, that explains the extra photos from last week of him encountering her new baby.

According to a new(ish) short synopsis: “Dean and Sam investigate gruesome attacks in which victims are branded with a strange symbol; Dean meets a woman (Sara Canning) at the town bar.” Additionally, at the beginning of the clip, the brothers are discussing the latest victim, whose wife caught him having an affair. They rule her out as a suspect, though, since she had no reason to kill the other male victims. Also, Dean wants to be with Lydia as more than a one-night stand, but she is cold and standoffish toward him when he calls.

This episode is just going to be the PMS Queen of Hot Messes, isn’t it? Yes, most likely, it will be. Naturally, I would love to be wrong, but the whole scenario of Dean having a one-night stand with an “Amazon” who gives birth to their daughter a day or so later, who then becomes an angry teenager and tries to kill him shortly thereafter, is so very many kinds of stupid and sexist. Join me in hoping for at least a hot sex scene, or (at the very worst) some nice screencaps of shirtless Dean to tide us over the silly premise and (no doubt) maudlin angst, later on. And it could have been even worse – it could have been an MPREG storyline. Maybe we could make a drinking game out of this and get as blotto during the episode as Dean must have been during his one-night stand.

There’s going to be a video interview (probably on Friday) about 7.13 from Jensen Ackles. It seems he will also talk about stuff like the Impala, Castiel and Bobby. The tweet announcing it further confirms that the insta-baby is really Dean’s. In addition, the interviewer, Carina MacKenzie was tweeting snippets about a set visit she made on Monday, while interviewing both Ackles and Jared Padalecki. The tweets appear to be about scenes of 7.17 (but could be 7.16), which include snippets like Sam breaking things and Dean being thrown through tables.

Speaking of spoilers, Rachel Miner is back in Vancouver. Could we be getting some Meg in 7.17 or 7.18? I so wish. Just don’t kill her off, show (or ruin her character). I love to hate Meg and killing her off, permanently, would put a damper on that. Misha Collins was also photographed at Vancouver Airport with his family. In additional casting spoilers, it’s been reported (though not directly by him) that Jared Padalecki will not be gone completely from any episodes this season, just that there will be less of him in each one. So, that question is apparently answered. I think. Though how much less it will be remains, of course, in doubt. We could be talking about a 30-second phone call per week for much of the rest of the season, post-7.17, or we could be talking about something less that most of us wouldn’t notice. Padalecki gave a brief interview talking about his anticipation of the baby’s birth.

There’s a rumour going round LJ that Ben Edlund will write and direct 7.20, as he did 6.20. It’s still just a rumour, though it’s not beyond the realm of possibility.

The synopsis for 7.15 is up and it seems we’ll be seeing a demon (or two) again. That could explain the Rachel Miner sighting, except that she just arrived in town on Monday (assuming she’s even there for Supernatural). More likely, then, she’s in 7.17:

“#Supernatural ep. 7.15 synopsis. ‘Repo Man’ (Feb. 17)

“DOUBLE TROUBLE – Four years ago, Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) helped a woman named Nora (guest star Nicole Oliver) exorcise a demon that was systematically killing women in a small town. They managed to save the postal worker, Jeffrey (guest star Russell Sams), while vanquishing the demon but now it seems the black-eyed monster has reared his ugly head and returned for a second helping. The brothers visit Jeffrey, who has been locked in a psych ward since the incident, to see if he can remember any of the demon’s plans while he was possessed. Thomas J. Wright directed the episode written by Ben Edlund.”

I’m not sure what to make of this one. The general assumption has been that this episode will exacerbate Sam’s bad mental health, but I can’t see how it will help Dean’s, either. Dean is the one who emphatically did not want to check into a mental hospital in “Sam, Interrupted”, even for a hunt, and who strenuously avoided going anywhere near the local AA chapter in “Defending Your Life”. Sam also was the one who ended up seeing the shrink in “Asylum” and the “crazy hooker” in “Houses of the Holy”. Regardless of Sam’s current internal weather, Dean does not like psych hospitals one little bit, so I don’t see how this will be comfortable for him, either. Plus, it’s Ben Edlund, a writer who likes to torture Dean whenever possible.

A slightly revised version of the 7.14 synopsis teases us with Dean’s worst fear, which is, naturally…All About Sam. Just a warning – this could be someone’s creative addition rather than real information:

“Sam and Dean investigate strange happenings in a town where childhood fears are coming to life. To Sam’s horror his childhood fear of clowns manifests in a very violent and traumatic way which in turn leads to Dean’s childhood fear, losing his brother.”

So, two traumatic episodes in a row for both brothers. No clue, yet, what 7.16′s plot (“Out with the Old”) will be about, but I’m guessing it won’t be all sunshine and roses, either.

Meanwhile, the rumours discussed in the comments section last week have been confirmed. So, 7.18 and 7.19 are now being called “Party On, Garth” and “Of Grave Importance”, respectively. Yeah…Garth. That might explain this tweet from D.J. Qualls.

Meanwhile, Mark Pellegrino teased in an interview about Lucifer possibly being real and broadcasting from the Cage. As I said last week in the comments, this really doesn’t mean much, especially since Pellegrino teased that Fauxifer was real back before the start of the season, too. But let’s go with that for just a bit. If Sam is being “touched by an angel” from the Cage, it’s very likely that Dean is (or will be), too. So, the secret the writers kept teasing about, if it really exists, could be that Dean has been getting his own version of hellvision all along, thanks to Michael. It might explain why Dean is going so barmy when Sam supposedly is the one with the Worst Hellpain Evah.

I’m not entirely wild about this possibility, because I’d prefer Dean not be possessed by Michael and I’m heartily sick and tired of Lucifer. But if Michael is talking to Dean, the temptation to say yes is even higher than before. Dean is desperate to kill the Leviathans and, even worse, he’s in a vengeful mood. I don’t know that Michael would be of much use against Purgatory creatures, but then, he might well find himself outclassed by his own vessel if he did enter Dean. Dean might be able to impose restrictions on him (like forcing him to promise to go against the Leviathans before he could go after Lucifer), or even take control, outright. A lot depends on how committed the writers are to taking Dean dark and making him a credible threat against the Leviathans.

Then again, it’s more likely that Pellegrino is just teasing, and Lucifer and Michael are stuck in the Cage for good.

In overseas news, for those of you in the UK, Sky TV will air season seven this summer.

Producer Jim Michaels has tweeted several times that it is too early for a season eight pickup order. Don’t expect one before mid-February, at the earliest. And with all those pilots being ordered, I’m guessing the CW execs are pretty busy at the moment. It doesn’t sound as though Eric Kripke’s Deadman pilot script was picked up.

Some news about upcoming Supernatural novels is already up. John Passarella, who wrote Night Terrors, will have a new novel out called “Rite of Passage” on August 14. No details yet on the plot, though the background art indicates a possible Chinese mythology angle. That’s the only book listed so far this year, but expect more. At the very least, we can expect an entry for the season seven companion at some point.

Finally, the repeat for “Defending Your Life” came in at a 0.4/1 and 1.1 million, which was a 0.1 higher and 30 thousand viewers less than Nikita.

We’ll be back next week with more spoilers. Stay tuned and check out our reviews of Game of Thrones, Doctor Who, Torchwood, The Event, Once Upon a Time, and Supernatural.

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  1. Sunny

    I agree about making Rump the Beast…I don’t see how that will play out. Especially since you never really know what his motives are for doing anything. He is easily the sketchiest freaken character on the show. Regina is just an evil bitch but Rump/Mr. Gold is really the one you need to watch out for.

    SNP; whenever I think about Amazons I always think about Xena and how they were kick ass women warriors so if on Friday they’re all eat/kill/destroy that’s gonna annoy me. But knowing this show they probably will be especially if the girl ends up trying to kill Dean and then Sam takes care of her. More needless drama. I’m really just tired of all the angst. I see other people getting so excited for it and I’m just like God no…I’m so burnt out on it. But yeah at least we get to see Dean shirtless, it’s been too long. He hasn’t been shirtless since season 4, has he?

    I hope Meg isn’t in the Cas is back episode. I have nothing against Rachel, I just don’t like Meg lol.

    I can’t wait to read your review of Epi 13, Paula. I’ve come to really enjoy getting your take on the episodes.

  2. elena

    Thanks for the spoiler round up, ladies.

    @Paula- the lack of spoilers these past two seasons has been really disappointing. I’m not sure what harm there is in releasing spoilers on a fairly regular basis, seeing as that generates discussion among fans and interest in the show. It’s true that many fans bitch about almost any spoiler but from a practical standpoint, why should those in charge care? The rating were decent despite the complaining in past seasons.

    But while we at least have a reason from the creative side of the show (ie: Sera’s well known hate of spoilers), I don’t understand what’s going on with the CW’s PR department. This season has been downright sloppy in terms of releasing clips and promo pics. In past years, we would have gotten the clip no later than Monday morning and the pics at least 2 weeks before airtime. Now, we’re lucky if they turn up at all. The show’s never been high on the CW’s list of priorities but this is downright ridiculous.

    Regarding this week’s spoilers…. as you said, Paula, the episode looks iffy at best. The role reversal of the Amy situation/Heart redoux that Jared talked about sounds awful. Maybe it’s just Jared’s take-although, given how Dean is all about family, it’s hard to see a happy outcome no matter how it plays out.

    The “new” description for 7.14 made me cringe. Crossing my fingers that you’re right and it’s just creative interpretation. I really don’t need yet another reminder of how the show sees Dean as being All About Sam. In season 1, I found Dean’s focus sweet; now, I find it kind of creepy. But maybe it’d b less about Sam and more about not disappointing drill master John. Then at least I’d buy it.

    Sounds like quite a few bloggers/critics were invited up to Vancouver this week. I hope it’s to build up the excitement over Cas’ return. There’s still so much potential in his story- I hope he sticks around for next season as well.

    So if Jared throwing things and Jensen’s double crashing through tables on the last day of filming 7.16, maybe that’s Sam’s big flipout scene? I wonder if he starts to think Dean is Lucifer-Lucifer!Dean is made of awesome!

    The idea of Michael trying to influence Dean from the cage is intriguing but I’m just not sure teh writer would give Dean that impressive of a storyline. If it were Sam, sure- in fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if we found out Lucifer is real and manifesting to Sam because of their special vessel bond.

    Maybe I’m just too cynical but after 6 seasons and the Swan Song fiasco, I’ve realized my view of Dean’s importance on the show is miles away from the producers. I just don’t think they want Dean to be “special”- ignoring all the ways in which he really isn’t the every man, I think they want to keep Dean firmly pigeonholed in the “human” slot. Makes me think that hte only reason Dean’s being allowed to drive the current storyline forward is because it’s about his human emotions of anger and grief. I guess in a way, that makes Dean more of an active player, since he chose to insert himself into the mythos (rather than how Sam ended up in his mytharc without any say.) Still, it would be a cool twist if Dean’s ties to the Leviathans turned out to be more than they first seem. The mytharc needs more depth, imo and this would be a great way to flesh it out.

  3. Crowley_Gal

    Thanks for the round up Paula.

    As for episode 14, I’m wondering if that’s just the writers spin. There was an interview with Jared that said we don’t find out Dean’s childhood fears.

  4. Ginger

    SG is actually the most unimaginative, non-thinking showrunner there is, isn’t she. For God’s sake — sweeps month and we get a Dean-has-a-daughter fanfic and the big delimna is which brother will kill a Winchester (which will end up being Sam, of course). And Dean WANTS to recreate his Lisa/Ben experience with a monster (oh, there you go — symmetry with Sam) and their kid?

    Garth, unicorns, fear of losing Sam for the 5000th time, with a little Frank and Meg thrown in? I used to like Meg, but she has been really stale the last couple of times.

    The only way I am going to be able to watch SPN on Fridays for the rest of the season is to be totally and completely drunk. I do like a weekly Jensen, but these predictable fanfics are really stretching my patience and loyalty.

  5. Cassieo

    Thanks for the round up Paula.

    I think we need to end the talks about Michael and Lucifer…the whole s5 and s6 carry overs are really killing the show. We need to drop them like a hot potato. Here’s hopeing TPTB can think at least that much outside of the box.

    As for this episode, I think it will be a filler mostly, but yeah..if Dean’s hot night is a lot of shirtless scenes, it will be worth the watch…but maybe not live. A DVR will work well. Both writers are relatively new to the series. They wrote “Route 66″ which was not highly popular and then last year, “Shut Up Dr Phil”. It was funny, but not a really indepth episode. More for fluff than anything. So like you I don’t expect a lot this week. But being a Dean-centric one…It may surprise me.

    As far as the other spoilers this week, most of those reports were written by a rather biased reporter and told to her by Jared, who really likes to talk up his parts. Which is fine..he enjoys what he does, but in the past I have found them to be misleading, so I don’t put much stock in them.

    In case you missed it, Jared now says he won’t miss any episodes this season, a few days but that’s all. That makes much more sense given the timeing of the due date and such. Really she might not even deliver until after filming for the season ends. Won’t have minded a few Dean heavy episodes though. I’d like to see another one like ‘The End”.

  6. Marisol

    You know, I just really like this show. I find the week is more interesting with SPN at the end of it. I hope it goes on next year, and after that as well. I am so very sorry about some of the storylines and dropped Dean plots, but I will always watch it anyway in spite of the “Swan Songs” and “Unforgivens”. I don’t even mind emoDean, because his life really sucks right now and a real person would probably emo worse. I am sure he will recover in time for Sam to save the world again, and I will throw another shoe at the TV — but watch the show anyway the following week.

    I love the idea of Micheal pestering Dean from the cage, it’s pretty cool, and better still if Dean is somewhat in control but has Michael’s power. I always wanted to see angelDean. I think he would not hesitate to make a deal with Michael now. Before the world would have been destroyed if he had said yes. This time, saying yes might mean he can actually save it. I’m thinking that f Michael offered to return Bobby and destroy the leviathans, there would be no question about a yes.

  7. Lily

    Well, I really tried not to read the spoiler, but temptation won! I really hate this kid will be Dean’s because it just does not make sense. The show has yet to confirm whether Dean is Ben’s father but will give an Amazon child, which last I looked were not considered monsters, but hey this Sera’s SPN spin. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by SG. Dean has never been with a monster for seven years, but now he is? Well, Sera sure does like to ruin everything special about Dean. Soon she’ll have Dean possessed by a demon. Oh wait, maybe he’ll even drink demon blood so he and Sam can bond about how wonderful those demonic powers are, and he can boohoo himself for good measure. So happy to hear Kripke’s script was not picked up! Maybe it’s his Swan script.

  8. Laurie

    I dread this daughter of Dean episode more than any episode ever on SPN. One of the things I love about Dean’s character is his love of children, his own childlike character, and his secret desire for a loving family.

    For these callous writers, who have no committment to writing the brothers in character, to dare approach this theme with Dean, infuriates me. Especially after the mess they made of that damn Amy killing. I hate the writers now, except Robbie Thompson and Ben Edlund. And why doesn’t Gamble and Singer see when a script sucks, like that Wedding nonsense. I dread this.

  9. Paula R. Stiles

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    @Marisol
    I hear you. As silly as it can get, I still enjoy the show more than most others on TV. It’s good to keep in mind that these are just spoilers and may well turn out to be very different from what they seem now.

    I also think that there is something going on in the spoilers, where what we are not hearing about is as interesting as what we are hearing about (perhaps more). We’re hearing a lot about how Sam will have a nervous breakdown and end up in the hospital, but there is deathly silence (aside from a lot of vague handwaving about Dean and Castiel meeting again) about the Leviathans, Dean and what’s going on with Castiel. When that happened earlier this season, it did *not* mean that there was less of Dean, but that Dean was at the centre of the mytharc. So, I’m very curious about it.

    I don’t know if they would actually bring Michael back, but I do think such a possibility is just one indication of how dangerous Dean could be in his current, nihilistic mindset. While I’m sure the Leviathans thought it a brilliant idea to isolate Dean from all his human resources, that just means he’ll now turn in desperation to his non-human options, which involve some very heavy hitters and some serious possible carnage.

    @Sunny
    I’m not ecstatic about this whole thing with Amazons being supernatural, either. They certainly weren’t in the Greek myths. Methinks the writers took the wrong lesson from True Blood and that stupid “Maenads aren’t human women who worship a god but an immortal goddess who, for some stupid reason, worships a god, even though she’s got her own mojo going” trope. Ugh.

    On the other hand, the one good thing about this plot, as much as we know of it, is that there’s no way Dean can come out of it magically healed – or, indeed, anything but much worse in the head. I noticed the showrunners have gotten very quiet about his alleged 13-episode arc, and the clip makes it obvious they haven’t forgotten about his alcoholism. So, I’m guessing we won’t be getting any dreaded Magic History Eraser button, with Dean all better just in time to deal with Sam’s breakdown.

    I like Meg, in all of her incarnations, so I’m happy to see her back. Miner brings the snark and I don’t know what the heck is going on between Meg and Castiel, but it’s hardly the worst thing they’ve ever done to him. Meg’s return has been confirmed, by the way: http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/02/supernatural-season-7-rachel-miners.html

    As for shirtless Dean scenes, we did have a very brief (and dark) shirtless dream sequence in last season’s “The Third Man”. And he was mostly covered up in that. I think the previous one was in season four with Anna in the back of the Impala.

    @elena
    I agree that the lack of spoilers has been annoying. If your story can’t hold up under the scrutiny of a few plot leaks, it wasn’t a very good story to begin with.

    The way I see it, there’s nothing wrong with going for two five-season arcs, with the first centering on Sam and the second on Dean. Considering the show might not even get that many seasons, I don’t see what’s so terrible about it. It’s very common for the plot to switch to a new, fresh character once a major storyline has wrapped up. In this case, the “new” character is already popular and has plenty of story potential, with no reason for the “old” character to leave.

    But will they go there? I don’t know.

    @Crowley_Gal
    Jared Padalecki said a lot of things in his interviews. I don’t know that he ever actually said that Dean would have no fears of his own. We don’t even know why Sam is having these fears when, according to the story, only kids have them and the parents end up dead.

    Also, if there are unicorns, there’s a strong possibility Dean’s fears are involved in some way. The only person who’s even mentioned unicorns on this show has been Dean. Seems like an awfully big coincidence for them to show up in an episode about childhood fears and *not* be connected to the one person who’s ever brought them up in a conversation.

    @Ginger
    Well, the Comic-Con spoilers were even worse, yet the first half of the season turned out rather well. Also, I think there could be good or bad ways for it to go. For example, I’d be more annoyed if Lisa and Ben were never mentioned again. This is the first time Dean, someone who used to have a very high libido, has had sex since his relationship with Lisa went down in flames. That could be fun to watch. Plus, sex makes Dean happy. It’s a step in the right direction, even if that step ends up being over a trapdoor. And it also means that the writers still remember that Dean has major problems that require resolution (and that won’t get any by the end of the episode).

    Plus, if Sam ends up having to shoot this kid in a reversal of the Amy situation, maybe he’ll finally have to apologise to Dean about his stick up the butt about Amy (a monster who had killed quite a few people, already) and we can finally stake, behead, douse in acid, burn, and fire off to Mars in a rocket, never to return, this stupid Amy storyline. ‘Cause that thing has turned into the mother of all undead equine plots.

    @Cassieo
    I don’t have much use for the writing team for this episode, either. I’m not even sure why the show brought them back when better one-shot writers were never heard from again, some of whom appear, from their IMDB resumes, like they could use the work.

    However, I don’t agree that Carina MacKenzie is showing any Sam bias. Her tweets make perfect sense if you take into account that she posted an interview with Jared Padalecki last week and has a brand new interview with Jensen Ackles coming up this week (probably Friday). Obviously, she’s not going to scoop herself on Twitter.

    I already reported on Jared Padalecki being in all the episodes in the latter part of the season, in the paragraph that begins with the spoiler about Meg’s return. I guess somebody realised that saying he’d be taking some time off was too spoilery, so they hedged.

    I think it’s extremely unlikely that GC will give birth after the end of shooting, which has been pushed into mid-April. Her due date is some time in March and it’s generally considered a bad idea to wait a month after the due date. If she went that far over, they’d induce (Mom was a nurse midwife).

    I want to caution people ahead of time that this is going to be pretty delicate scheduling, especially since they’re going to have to plan ahead regarding a baby. Either they’re going to have Padalecki do scenes ahead of time and then take time off or they’re going to have to make his scenes easy to schedule at the last minute. Either way, that most likely translates to very light participation in at least a few episodes. “Being in an episode” could easily mean a voice on the phone or a brief Dean hallucination, with Sam not really being part of the action.

    I don’t know how many of you have been parents, or involved in some other way in this process, but it’s not easy. Just because Padalecki’s not the one actually giving birth doesn’t mean he can waltz off at 4am every morning to do a 16-hour day, and come home to an exhausted wife who needs his support and a baby who will most likely cry all night, especially considering how involved he seems to have been so far. Like it or not, his real life is trumping his work this spring and we are all just going to have to cut him some slack. Supernatural survived the arrival of a new Misha mouse in season six. It can survive the arrival of a Padababy in season seven.

    @Lily
    Yeah, it’s a concern, but let’s watch the episode and throw rotten tomatoes then.

    As for Kripke’s project, Deadman was never high on my list of favourite comics (and I used to read a ton of them), so I’m kinda meh about that. I’m not so in love with Kripke’s style that I would want to commit to another series solely because of his involvement. Plus, I’m still irritated about “Swan Song” – five seasons of investment and that’s what we got? Yick.

    @Laurie
    I think I’d add the two Bens to Thompson and Edlund as far as writers I’m enjoying this season. I sure hope the showrunners have bought another script from those two because “The Mentalists” was fun. I’ve also heard (maybe one of you mentioned it here) that Adam Glass may be leaving to do his own show. I’d be okay with that, too, as I think he writes chaotic plots and does some very ugly things to the female characters in his scripts.

  10. Haleh

    Paula, You SHOULD write for Supernatural! I am not kidding. I mean if only the writers write about Dean as you put it all together, I’m not sure if I can handle the awesomeness in each & every episode! They talked about a big secret for Dean(Not that I_Killed_Amy one!) so where’s it? I really need something shocking, unexpected & absorbing! like the premier of s5, the shock on my face when we found out Dean was the true vessel for Michael!
    I’m not whining…I love S7, but we just heard so many times that Dean’s fighting with his inner Demons, It can’t be just about Cas, Sam & Bobby…it should be some secret eating him up inside.

    Thanks again for another awesome sum up.

    1. Paula R. Stiles

      Thanks, Haleh! However, since I don’t write for the show, I’m just going to have to hope they come up with something awesome on their own. Since the show has lasted seven seasons, already, I’m reasonably confident they’ll come with something. I just hope it’s something major to do with Dean…that they don’t back out on.

  11. elena

    “The way I see it, there’s nothing wrong with going for two five-season arcs, with the first centering on Sam and the second on Dean. Considering the show might not even get that many seasons, I don’t see what’s so terrible about it. It’s very common for the plot to switch to a new, fresh character once a major storyline has wrapped up”

    @Paula- I totally agree with your idea of five year arcs for both brothers. Not only does it make sense from that literary symmetry angle the writers love so much but also from a logistical standpoint (ie: Dean is an equal lead character with a large fanbase.)

    I guess that, technically, this could be seen as the second season of the current mytharc. I think the show blundered- badly- in the set up last season. The writers wasted too much time on Sam’s bombastic personal arc while Cas was the laying the foundation of the mytharc offscreen. And ironically, Dean ended up with neither a solid personal arc nor a tie to the mytharc. Not a great way to start things off.

    If this new mytharc really does “belong” to Dean, I just wish there’d be less ambiguity. With Sam, there was never any question and the mystery surrounding that connection is what helped push the storyline: Why was the YED after Sam? What about his visions? Why did Mary die in Sam’s nursery? Why was John give Dean that “kill/save” mandate? In contrast, this current mythos just seems too detached and straightforward. I’m not sure a lot of fans care why the Leviathans bought that piece of land: it’s a lot more interesting to speculate why Levi!Cas said he was coming back to kill off Dean. If this mythos is meant to roll over into next season, I really think it could use more layers and an undisputable tie to Dean. If the show runners really see Dean as an equal character, they need to start treating him as such and get out of the mentality of “what’s Dean’s is Sam’s and what’s Sam’s is Sam’s.”

    You also bring up a good point about Jared’s schedule. i’ve been wondering how that might work even in the next season, given the baby will only be four months old when they resume shooting in July. While I’m sure Jared will try his best but those first few filming months could be pretty challenging. Maybe Cas will be sticking around and/or Dean have more involvement in the mytharc, to make things easier.

  12. Arafel

    IA wtih elena. If the myth-arc is more connected to Dean then we should be in less doubt of that, but I’ll give them this season to convince me better of that possibility.
    I’d love to see Jensen take on Michael and rid the world of the leviathons. I felt so cheated out of that in S5. Even if they didn’t want things to end with Dean saying yes to Michael-they could have at least given us a dreamscape or an AU of it-but with Jensen playing Dean being Michael as an archangel of might and power-the Right Hand of God and the Commander of the Heavenly Host and/or as he was described in Houses of the Holy, not as the wimp he was portrayed as by Jake Abel in Swan Song. Boo! Hiss! to whomever was responsible for that debacle.
    As much as I’m looking forward to ShirtlessDean…*tingles*… the spectre of the potential for disaster in this next one looms too large for me to get overly excited about the story behind this next hunt. Maybe(I hope!) it will be a pleasant surprise precisely because of the lowered expectations…although it’s still sad to me that I’m now forced to think this way about Show when it used to be so different… Ah well, what can you do?
    Thanks for the spoiler round up, girls, and to the commenters here, too.

  13. Ginger

    Paula: Personally, I hope to never hear the name Lisa or Ben again in my whole life. That arc introduced SG’s idea of the new man Dean, and I can’t say that I like her idea much. Even if they stick monster mom in as a Lisa substitute w/o mentioning the name, it’s not something I will like. From the promo clips, the whole premise of the episode is stupid, and I just don’t see how this one can be anything but predictable. If is it, then no amount of shirtlessness can make up for a a wash and rinse story. That said, I’m always willing to watch before going totally ballistic.

    Then there’s that niggling reminder of Route 666. Stupid story, but I sure did like the Sam’s teasing Dean and Dean’s reactions to it in that one. Dr. Phil was an episode to showcase James and Charisma than it was about the brothers, so let’s hope this one isn’t more of that. Like Arafel says, “the spectre of the potential for disaster” looms large, and it is hard to get excited after a 3-week break.

    You have some great ideas for how the season could go. It’s got to go somewhere, right? Eventually? Let’s hope it is DarkDean slaughtering Levi right and left. My patience with the emo angsting and hand rubbing is growing thin. I’m in the mood for a good slaughter.

  14. Paula R. Stiles

    @elena
    A problem with the idea of season six being a new beginning is that it was a transitional season, where the writers didn’t seem to know (or agree on) where they wanted to go next. Season one was fairly similar. Despite some episodes, like “Home” and “Nightmare”, that inclined toward Sam having a Dark Destiny, the season itself didn’t really seem to know where it was going, and both “Salvation” and “Devil’s Trap” were powered far more by Dean’s obsession with keeping his family together than by Sam’s destiny. Season six may appear more coherent, too, once we know where this is all going.

    I agree that season eight could be a whole new can of worms regarding Padalecki’s dealing with father issues. But we don’t even have a lock on a season eight, yet, so I’m keeping my speculations closer to home, timewise. We also don’t know yet how this season will end. It could end up being a moot point, with Sam in a position where it would be fairly easy for Padalecki to log in shorter weeks and other characters (like Castiel or some of the newer hunters, like Mills, Frank, or Lee and his daughter) appearing to fill in the gap.

    On the other hand, things could end up with Sam being back up to 50% next season, too. It’s just too early to tell.

    @Arafel
    I don’t know if it would be good or bad for Dean to take Michael in. I don’t even know if they’ll open that can of worms. But it does occur to me that, even if the Leviathans are more powerful than an archangel, the writers could still credibly have Dean use archangel powers to get in, use the Phoenix ash in his blood to take out the Leviathans (which would require a major sacrifice) and manage to survive it with the archangel powers coming back. There would even be a catch in that Dean would likely be stuck with fighting off Michael in the next season and potentially going dark.

    On the other hand, I’m also thinking about how ugly the “blood” storyline got on Torchwood and how much I’m not enjoying Sam’s Fauxifer storyline (despite loving the writers’ obvious template, Crichton’s insanity storyline in Farscape). So, I don’t know if I really want to hope for that.

    @Ginger
    Well, the one good thing with the upcoming premise (aside from the other things I noted about how it can’t possibly wrap up Dean’s depression plot with anything resembling a happy face) is that it’s at least centred on the brothers, as opposed to “Shut Up, Dr. Phil”, in which the brothers were stuck as comic relief on their own show.

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