TV Spoilers & Speculation Corner: 01/25/12

This entry is part 4 of 26 in the series Spoilers 2012: Part 1

This week, we have spoilers for Once Upon a Time and Supernatural:

Once Upon a Time (Sunday nights, 8pm, ABC)
By Heather S. Vina

There’s a new press release from ABC for episode 1.12, “Skin Deep”:

“EMMA KEEPS AN EYE ON MR. GOLD WHEN IT LOOKS LIKE HE’S OUT FOR VIGILANTE JUSTICE AFTER BEING ROBBED, AND BELLE AGREES TO A FATEFUL DEAL TO SAVE HER TOWN FROM THE HORRORS OF THE OGRE WAR, ON ABC’S ONCE UPON A TIME

“Emilie de Ravin (Lost) Guest Stars as Belle. Jessy Schram (Falling Skies) Guest Stars as Cinderella/Ashley.

“‘Skin Deep’ – After Mr. Gold’s house is robbed, Emma keeps a close eye on him when it looks like he wants to track down the criminal and dole out some vigilante justice as payback, and Valentine’s Day finds Mary Margaret, Ruby and Ashley (Jessy Schram, Falling Skies) having a girls’ night out. Meanwhile, in the fairytale land that was, Belle (Emilie de Ravin, Lost) agrees to a fateful deal to give up her freedom in order to save her town from the horrors of the Ogre War, on Once Upon a Time, SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 12 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.

Once Upon a Time stars Ginnifer Goodwin as Snow White/Mary Margaret, Jennifer Morrison as Emma Swan, Robert Carlyle as Rumpelstiltskin/Mr. Gold, Lana Parrilla as Evil Queen/Regina, Jared Gilmore as Henry Mills, Josh Dallas as Prince Charming/David, and Raphael Sbarge as Jiminy Cricket/Archie Hopper.

Guest starring are Jessy Schram as Ashley/Cinderella, Meghan Ory as Ruby/Red Riding Hood, Tim Phillips as Sean/Prince Thomas, Jarod Joseph as Billy, Beverley Elliott as Granny, Emilie de Ravin as Belle, Eric Keenleyside as Moe French/Sir Maurice, Sage Brocklebank as Gaston, Chris Shields as Military Advisor, John DeSantis as The Dove, Ingrid Torrance as Severe Nurse and Gabe Khouth as Sneezy.

“‘Skin Deep’ was written by Jane Espenson and directed by Milan Cheylov.”

Kristin at E! Online has up a tidbit about the show in her latest spoiler column. And by tidbit, I mean, “Nothing much.”

Elizabeth: Any Once Upon a Time scoop? It’s my new favorite show!
“Everyone’s dying to know what happened between the Evil Queen (Lana Parrilla) and Snow White (Ginnifer Goodwin) back in the fairy-tale world, so when we chatted with Parrilla, we had to ask for anything and everything about that backstory. ‘I have some idea. I cannot reveal that clearly. That’s the biggest question everyone wants to know the answer to,’ she teases. ‘I will say that you will learn soon enough.’ We’re thinking it’s pretty soon, considering we’ll meet Snow White’s father (AKA the Queen’s husband), King Leopold in the next episode.”

Laura Prudom over at Huffington Post has an interview up with Ginnifer Goodwin, where they talk about Snow White, Prince Charming, the Seven Dwarves, and everything in between!

SpoilerTV has a scan up of a picture of Emilie De Ravin in her Belle outfit from the latest TV Guide issue. They also have the set of pictures up for the upcoming episode, “Frederick” (1.13), which is the episode with Prince Charming and the Siren. Looks like it will focus on David and Mary, Prince Charming and his quest, with some Archie, Granny and Ruby thrown in there!

Spoiler TV has this up for the synopsis of “Frederick”: “David decides to tell Kathryn about his relationship with Mary Margaret; as Prince Charming searches for Snow White, he agrees to help Abigail with a dangerous mission.”

They’re also reporting that episode 1.14 will be called “Dreamy”.

Matt Roush at TV Guide has up something about the show in his latest “Ask Matt” column. He tries to answer a reader’s question about where Henry got the book (He got it from Mary Margaret, which Matt didn’t answer) and why none of the characters in Storybrooke realize that time has stood still for them (because of the curse, which he did mention).

Damian Holbrook at TV Guide has up a column titled, “Impeach Once Upon a Time‘s Mayor!” I so agree with him, but alas, it seems some viewers are enjoying her evil. Me, I hope she’s gone by the end of the season. A vain hope but a hope, nonetheless!

And finally, the ratingswere understandably down against the monster ratings hit that was the NFC Championship (and which many of the people around me are still currently in mourning over!), but really not that much down from last week. This week, they got 3.2 in the demos, and 9.30 million viewers, compared to last week’s (up against the Golden Globes) 3.3 in the demo, and 9.839 million viewers. This coming week, they aren’t up against anything, so hopefully, their ratings will go back up!

Supernatural (Friday nights, 9pm, CW)
By Paula R. Stiles

This week, we starting off with a small tribute to Supernatural director and executive producer, Kim Manners, who died three years ago today (His birthday was on January 13).

According to the British Columbia Film Commission List, production has been extended to April 18 (It was previously March 25). Many thanks to Xenia_rules on IMDB for the information.

As someone reported in the comments section last week, the official synopsis for 7.14, the horrendously titled “Plucky Pennywhistle’s Magical Menagerie”, is up:

“#Supernatural 7.14 synopsis (Feb. 10) ‘Plucky Pennywhistle’s Magical Menagerie’

“CLOWNS, UNICORNS AND SHARKS, OH, MY! – Sam (Jared Padalecki) is forced to confront a childhood fear when a case takes him and Dean (Jensen Ackles) to Kansas to investigate Plucky Pennywhistle’s Magical Menagerie, a local pizza chain that hosts children’s birthday parties. Sam and Dean discover that the victims’ children had recently been to the restaurant and drawn a picture of their worst fear, which then came to life to kill their parent. While Dean confronts the man behind the magic, Sam is left to deal with some very angry clowns. Mike Rohl directed the episode written by Andrew Dabb & Daniel Loflin.”

Why am I not surprised that Dabb and Loflin wrote this one? Expect lots of shenanigans with potentially ugly mytharc ramifications that will, therefore, never be mentioned again. Rumours are that only Sam’s fears will come alive, but with unicorns in the mix, I have a feeling Dean won’t be left out.

Another winning title, this time for 7.17, is out: “The Born-Again Identity”. This is the one in which Sam checks himself into a mental hospital and Castiel (sorry, Misha Collins, who may or may not return as Castiel) returns with some sort of amnesia. It will be written by Sera Gamble and directed by Robert Singer. Speaking of Castiel, Misha Collins appeared on The Soup, where his role on Supernatural was mentioned. As were muff-muffs and other assorted odd subjects.

Official photos are up for 7.13. Um…why is Dean wearing lipstick in the first one? Anyhoo, it looks as though his “daughter” (We don’t actually know for sure that she is) will try to kill him with a bronze sword. A recent short interview with Jared Padalecki indicates that Sam might kill her, over Dean’s strenuous objections: “You’re not in your right mind.” This, of course, would be a reversal of the Amy situation (because we haven’t suffered enough of that, yet, for our sins).

Oh, and if that actress looks familiar, let’s just say there’s a reason why we’re retro reviewing “The Benders” next Monday.

Set pics and video are up for 7.15. Nothing really spoilery in the pics (aside from Sam hallucinating Fauxifer), but they’re cute. And it’s been snowing in Vancouver. It looks as though there’s at least one scene outside an animal shelter and Dean will be driving a crappy old pickup, which is pulling a UHaul-style trailer (clearing out another one of Bobby’s stashes?). It will be a town where a lot of foreclosures are going on and there is one photo in there of guest star, Sarah Clark. Another guest star from this episode will be Bryan Cuprill.

The videos are somewhat more interesting. It turns out the pickup is in front of an antiques shop that is going out of business. Then there’s a location shot of a very familiar yellow building. Remember the big art gallery from “Shut Up, Dr. Phil”? That one. Could be our battling witches will return in 7.16. The video also includes a brief scene of Dean walking across a snowy road, holding a strange wooden box while on the phone, arriving at yet another hot, black muscle car (not the Impala). The second video is of the same scene, with what looks like a flubbed prop (Dean opens the trunk to put the box inside). I wonder if that will end up on the bloopers reel?

The CW has been promoting the show’s PCA win and other things, with a poster, a Men of CW video, a newspaper photo of Jared Padalecki at last week’s panel, and another general CW video. In the latter, Supernatural stuff doesn’t begin until halfway through the promo, but that poster? Is really nice.

Starting February 3, the show will be back for three weeks, then off for another two weeks, then back on again for more two more weeks. This means that 7.17 will not air until March 16. It looks as though that’s the episode they’re currently filming.

‘Tis the season for talk of renewals and new pilots, so fans have been asking about the possibility of a season eight. And the usual suspects are saying…that they don’t know, yet. Let’s put it this way – there are a whole lot of turkeys ahead of Supernatural in the line for the CW’s chopping block these days. While it’s not a given, a season eight looks pretty likely. Either way, it seems it’s too early to tell, as the earliest notice would come in March.

Divine: The Series is up for a Shorty Award. If you have a Twitter account, you can vote for it here.

Finally, ratings for a repeat of “The Girl Next Door” came in at a 0.4/1 and 960 thousand viewers. That was 0.1 and 240 thousand higher than the Remodeled repeat (which actually scored more audience than its series premiere) it followed. Supernatural demo was also higher than the Remodeled series premiere. This Friday’s repeat is “Defending Your Life”. You know – the bargain-basement Egyptian god one.

We’ll be back next week with more spoilers. Stay tuned and check out our reviews of Game of Thrones, Doctor Who, Torchwood, The Event, Once Upon a Time, and Supernatural.

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  1. elena

    Thanks for the spoiler updates, ladies!

    @Heather- it sounds like everyone in the town has made a deal with Rump. As much as I’m enjoying the show’s new take on the traditional fairy tales, I’m not sure how I feel about using that as a common thread. But maybe there’ll eventually be a point to all these heroic characters theoretically selling their souls to the devil.

    @Paula- isn’t that the most bizarre title? Someone suggested it might be a take on that movie title “Mr. Magorium’s Wonder Emporium.” I guess with these writers, it’s possible. I think this season has had some of the worst episode titles in the show’s run.

    Nothing to do with spoilers but I just wanted to share something I read on Jim Michaels’ twitter. He said that each PCA trophy costs $4000, is made out of custom Waterford crystal, and weighs 13 pounds. Kind of cool!

    1. Paula R. Stiles

      @elena
      I saw that. The things people spend money on.

      And yeah, the title is…well, Gene Wilder is too old and Johnny Depp far too expensive, so how are they planning to pull that one off?

      @Crowley_Gal
      It’s really hard to say. If it’s got any mytharc aspect to it, they won’t tell us beforehand, as that would be pretty spoilery.

      As for Sam and 7.17, he’s increasingly coming across like the Hero’s idiot girlfriend/wife from an 80s action flick–constantly believing the bad guys over the Hero; constantly making dumb decisions that put everyone in danger; constantly having to be rescued. I think that’s a shame, but maybe the writers will pull him out of that dive when Padalecki comes back from paternity leave, however long that takes.

      @Ginger
      It’s really hard to tell what they intend to do with this storyline, but it seems unlikely to make Dean any happier or saner; nor is there anything else in upcoming spoilers to indicate anything but a further turning of the screws on Dean. I think we need to be very cautious about taking Robert Singer’s comment that Dean would have a 13-episode arc with a big grain of salt. For one thing, that was quite a while ago. For another, Singer never said that Dean would be magically better at the end of the arc. He just said that there would be some kind of change or resolution. Sambot got offed in 6.11, so that was a kind of change or resolution for Sam, but it didn’t exactly end Sam’s season-six character arc.

      Were I to hazard a guess, I’d say that the isolation storyline is really not about isolating Sam and Dean as much as it is about isolating Dean. Note that the interviews about Sam’s crack-up in 7.17 indicate that this will result in Dean having to face an altered Castiel alone. If Dean is losing everyone and everything, it makes sense that Sam would have to step out of the story a bit, too. We’ve already seen Sam abandoned and (self) isolated in season four after Dean died. What Sam did was hook up with a demon. And we’ve already seen Dean with his brother against the world – that was the end of season one and much of season two.

      Dean’s storyline this season reminds me more of Sam’s demon blood storyline in season four and vessel storyline in season five, in that there’s not much they can really tell us about it until quite late because it’s so tied into the mytharc.

      @Sunny
      We’ll just have to see how things go. We don’t even know for sure that this girl will truly be Dean’s daughter. Or that she will die of anything but natural causes (like rapid aging).

      I don’t know why Gamble is writing 7.17. It’s not necessarily that odd. I suppose one could say it’s a mytharc episode, since those are the only ones she’s done in a while. Then again, Eric Kripke directed “What Is and What Should Never Be”, which was a standalone MOTW. Then again, it definitely sounds like a mytharc ep. We’ll just have to see.

      @Lily
      Deep breaths, there. They’re only spoilers.

  2. Crowley_Gal

    Thanks for the round up Paula.

    I’m hoping that 7,13 will turn out better than it sounds because right now it just sounds like a tit-for-tat episode. Dean got to be right about Amy, therefore Sam must be right about inst-daughter.

    I hope Dean calls Sam out on Sam telling him he’s not in his right mind because the hallucinating crazy guy that can’t tell reality from fantasy without causing himself pain really is in no position to judge.

    I will also be surprised if this episode doesn’t end with Dean patting Sam on the head and thanking and apologizing for the Amy suition and how Dean understands now. I will throw something at my TV if that happens.

    As for Sam, for me he’s once again as coming across as clueless when it comes to his brother. Maybe if Sam showed some trust in Dean and reached out to him instead of having to be “The Man” his hallucinations wouldn’t get to the point where he can’t control them and have to be institutionalized. But it sounds as if Sam continues to lie to Dean about his hallucinations, because Dean can’t handle more burdons.

    Given the fact that Dean’s handled a Sam breakdown, being ditched by Sam twice (3 times if you count going to the desert instead of the never heard of before annual vegas trip), losing Cas, and losing Bobby, and from the sounds of spoilers he will be the one to try and bring Sam back from the brink of Insanity. So given all that for me, anyway Sam comes across looking pretty dumb for thinking Dean can’t handle it.

    I’m looking forward to Cas’s return but I just wish it wasnt’ in the episode with Crazy Sam or being written by Gamble. I’d like to see the episode focus on Cas, not Sam Hellpain because I find that boring.

  3. Ginger

    So, basically, the enticement for the second half so far is another Amy story, Sam walking around with Lucifer mouthing off beside him, our heroes having to overcoming their terror of clowns and unicorns (and doesn’t that just make them look like badass hunters), an amnesiac Cas who either Dean or Sam will have trust issues with, and still Impala three-quarters of the way through the season.

    God, how I miss Kim Manners! It speaks to his talent that we all still remember him, a director, so fondly for the show he undoubtedly built and shared with us.

    I am inclined to think that the middle section of the season is not sounding very sweet merciful awesome, but I’ll withhold judgment until after I see the episodes. I’m half expecting 7.13 to be a comedy, although the synopsis gives no indication of that.

    Paula: What possible reasoning could the Show have to give us a second Amy story in the same season, especially since the first one was a major bore and fans and bloggers alike had a seriously negative response to it?

    Also, what do you think the reasoning behind giving Sam all the kills right now; if that actually happens in the Amy episode,of course?

    If they are extending the production season, it sounds like Sam will be back for the finale episodes.

  4. crowley_gal

    I think Sam’s getting all the kills because we are supposed to be getting the Impression that Dean’s drinking and obsession with Dick Roman is effecting his judgement, which is why he tells Dean that he’s out of his mind right now.

    As for Amy role reversal I’m guessing that because Dean came out looking right, he needs to be taught the lesson that Sam is never wrong. I really hope I’m wrong about that though and this is more of a heart type episode.

  5. Sunny

    I remember when I used to avoid spoilers so hard. Now I feel like if I don’t find some for SNP I’ll be too indifferent to watch it at all. As for OUAT I can’t wait to find out what Snow did that was so HORRIBLE. It better live up to expectations after all the crap the Queen has done.

    If I never hear the name “Amy” again where SNP is concerned it will still be too soon. It seems everyone is still working under the assumption that we’re supposed to feel bad for Amy/Sam that Dean killed her. But she was a murderous monster so he did the right thing. However with that in mind for 7.13 I do wonder if this is just a reversal so that Sam can be right like someone above me said. Otherwise what is the point? And will the “daughter” be more like Lenore which would be a good argument not to kill her or will she be more like any other MOTW? Or is it more hey this is season 7 and we haven’t did this yet, lol…

    I’m a little concerned with Gamble writing Castiel’s return but I put it up to her wanting to do crazy!Sam. I just hope she doesn’t totally twist things even more. Someone mentioned it was odd that she’s writing an episode this close to the finale so I ask you, Paula, since I don’t know about that kinda stuff. Is it odd or just one of those show things?

    The clown episode; if it’s more dark like the one in the earlier seasons it might not suck completely but we’ll see of course.

  6. Lily

    Hi Paula
    Like everyone on the board, I’m a bit nervous about episode 13. I was looking forward to this episode but the whole instant daughter thing has been a bit disconcerting, to say the least. An Amy retread would be an absolute disaster, especially if it validates Sam’s opinion on a monster.

    This situation is, IMO, entirely different considering this child would be a Winchester. This gives me hope that this whole idea of a child fathered by Dean is a bait and switch. It’s an absolutely ludicrous idea for the show to go there. I have to believe Gamble hasn’t gone completely bonkers as to have Dean father a child, and then allow Sam to kill the child because the mother is an Amazon Warrior, which would make it comparable to Dean killing Amy. And since when have Amazon Warriors become monsters?!

    I have to end this because I’m getting so angry right now I’m ready to scream.

    1. Paula R. Stiles

      @Laurie
      Thanks! But I’d take that with a big grain of salt. One reason I don’t post about stuff up that only appears on IMDB is because anyone can put something up there. For example, someone had Cassie in the character lists for several episodes (most of which have already aired) and, obviously, she wasn’t in those episodes.

      Also, putting a minor character’s name in the credits would be a rather large spoiler that he would be back in that episode. It’s possible (since they’ve said Garth will be back), but I won’t buy it until we get independent confirmation.

  7. crowley_gal

    I tweeted Jim Michaels asking about the title. His response was “I love Wayne’s World.”

    I wish I had your faith in the writers Paula and about Dean being connected to the mytharc, but the boo hoo suck it up speeches usually signal the end of Deans’ “arcs.” With Sam telling Dean he’s not his right mind, I can see writers figuring Dean’s story is done.

    I’m really hoping your right on this one.

  8. Ginger

    @ Paula: Based on what we know, I tend to agree with you that Dean’s story will continue as him being isolated, even from Sam, since we know Sam is going to be institutionalized during Jared’s pregnancy leave, and that the Dean/Cas interaction will be played out during that time. I still think Sam will show up in the finale episode(s), and I still think that Dean will kiss and make up with Cas after much growling and hand wringing. I just hope that it doesn’t play out as predictable as I fear.

    If they are giving Sam all the kills to show that he is taking care of Dean because Dean isn’t functioning too well, I can buy into that, I guess. Except…the writers aren’t doing a very good job of telling that story.

    As far as SG writing 7-17, I’m not that surprised at all. It may be a Dean-centric episode (as JP said), but with Sam’s big moment and Cas returning — her two very favorite characters — I can’t imagine her letting anyone else script it.

    What was interesting in JP’s interview is that he assured everyone that Frank wasn’t a Bobby replacement. He said that here they are at 7-17 and Frank still had no news on the Levi. This kind of stuff is exactly why I am not happy with the new characters they have introduced. Not only did Frank not tell them anything that a civilian wouldn’t know the first time he was introduced, but why didn’t brilliant Sam, street-smart Dean, and super-guy Frank check the building permits at the county offices to see what was going to be built….and I’m to believe that Dean paid $15,000 to Frank for his super-duper knowledge.

    Same with Garth. I’m all for expanding the hunter community; in fact, I want it, but when they introduce a joke of a hunter like Garth, I just think that it must not take much to be a hunter. The brothers don’t look like they are the better hunters; it just looks like hunting is that big of a deal.

    When they let a 14-year old girl save three big-time “great” hunters, it just diminishes the heroes more. Sam, the smart one, was duped into believing Krissy didn’t know what her dad did; Dean, the paper clip ace, was out-maneuvered with a bobby pin; and the MotW was fooled by Krissy’s exceptional con job. Again, our heroes don’t really come off as being the best of the best — anything but, actually.

    Needless to say, I am not looking for to ‘Party on, Garth,’ or any other Garth or Krissy re-appearance, and I certainly hope they keep the Frank scenes very small.

    As far as Sam telling Dean he’s not in his right mind…well, we’ve heard that Dean is crazy from Sam a couple of times through the years and it hasn’t gone anywhere yet. I do like a good massacre, so I hope this pans out. Nothing in me believes that it will, but I’ll be tuned in to see.

    1. Paula R. Stiles

      @Ginger
      The thing about Dean being isolated is that Sam’s only connection to the mytharc this season is through Dean. In fact, the only person with a direct connection to the mytharc (who hasn’t been eliminated) is Dean. This isn’t like seasons four and five, where Sam and Dean were almost on opposite sides of the battle, being pulled apart by conflicting forces. Here, Sam is being tormented by Fauxifer such that he really doesn’t care about the Leviathans; nor do they care about him. Dean’s obsession with them is Dean’s alone–and there have been hints along the way that they are equally obsessed with him. The situation involving the Leviathans doesn’t change one whit if Sam’s gone for a while. If anything, Sam’s absence would take an important safety off the mytharc’s chekhovian gun.

      I think the reason why Sam is getting so many kills of MOTWs is simply because he doesn’t have much to do this season besides that and angst over Fauxifer, and I think they quickly realised that the latter would get boring very quickly–not to mention the cost and availability issues of having Mark Pellegrino in. As for why Gamble is writing 7.17, the showrunner generally writes the big mytharc episodes, so….

      I’m not getting too excited about Frank. He’s basically just Early Bobby, before Bobby turned into a deus ex machina. As for why he’s fairly useless in a lot of ways, I think Dean’s using him more for his connections, equipment and technical knowledge than for his experience. Dean seems pretty clear on the fact that Frank’s a pureed omelet and a legend in his own mind involving any other topic. I think it’s interesting that Dean insists on the payment deal, since that’s probably Dean’s way of emotionally distancing himself from someone he is just using as a human resource. I’d be unsurprised if the Leviathans got Frank later on and Dean coldly used it to his own advantage without missing a beat. There was more than a little of 2014Dean in “Adventures in Babysitting”.

      As for Garth, he’s an idiot, but considering the average lifespans of hunters on this show, and the dark turn this season is bound to take later on, we may feel sorry for him by the end. And I didn’t see Krissy as any kind of mighty hunter. She was stupid and screwed up the rescue, then got lucky. Then she showed she was even dumber than a fencepost when she didn’t recognise her own luck. If she were so supercompetent, why did she have to keep calling Bobby’s phone number for help? No way could she have got to that warehouse, let alone saved everyone, by herself.

      While it’s annoying that she didn’t learn that lesson, I found it far more interesting that Dean had taken out two of the same MOTW while operating on the same info as Sam and Lee did. That made me wonder if the “danger” involving Dean is becoming less one of risk to his life and more that using him to help you, or on a hunt, is nearly as dangerous as using a rusty ICBM to get rid of your pesky roach problem. He’s very competent and very powerful, but also indifferent to the risks of the job and increasingly detached from other humans. I don’t know where they’re going with this. It could be purely psychological. It could be that he’s been affected by some dropped plot from the past (Servant of Heaven, phoenix ash). But he kind of reminds of Dark Phoenix or Dr. Manhattan. The only thing missing (so far) from the equation are superpowers.

      This is one reason why all the anvils this season about Dean’s mental health keep pinging my radar. Sure, Sam’s commented on Dean’s mental health before (and it’s always been true. Unlike Sam’s hellpain, Dean’s insanity is too integral to his character ever to be “cured”). But while Sam has issues, those issues have no current connection to anything outside his own head. On the flip side, Dean’s mental state has been explicitly compared to the state of the world. The very last character we’d want in this story to have godlike powers right now is Dean, because he’d just drive us all right off the pier. So, Sam’s hellpain makes me shrug because it goes nowhere important, whereas any commentary on Dean’s depression makes me wonder where the writers are going with it, because that appears to be strongly mytharc-related.

  9. elena

    I just saw this brief interview with Mark P:

    http://www.examiner.com/tv-insider-in-los-angeles/mark-pellegrino-on-supernatural-being-human-what-about-major-crimes

    Now, I’m really confused. He seems to be talking as if a part of Lucifer is actually inside Sam for real and is planning something.

    What are your thoughts, Paula? Do you think this is Mark P just taking some creative license with his character? Or maybe the writers setting the stage for Lucifer to come back in S8 via Sam?

  10. elena

    And you’ve probably already seen the episode description for 7.15 but just in case:

    #Supernatural ep. 7.15 synopsis. “Repo Man” (Feb. 17)

    DOUBLE TROUBLE — Four years ago, Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) helped a woman named Nora (guest star Nicole Oliver) exorcise a demon that was systematically killing women in a small town. They managed to save the postal worker, Jeffrey (guest star Russell Sams), while vanquishing the demon but now it seems the black-eyed monster has reared his ugly head and returned for a second helping. The brothers visit Jeffrey, who has been locked in a psych ward since the incident, to see if he can remember any of the demon’s plans while he was possessed. Thomas J. Wright directed the episode written by Ben Edlund

    1. Paula R. Stiles

      @elena
      I saw a partial of that synopsis before, thanks. Curious that they’re (re)introducing a psych hospital theme two episodes before Sam ends up in one. Other than that, it sounds a lot like an MOTW. The timing is also interesting. Will they remember the year off between seasons five and six, and place it in the middle of season four, or will it occur during the Writers Strike hiatus of season three, when Dean’s deal was in effect (Please, Show, don’t inflict any flashbacks with Ruby in them on us. Plllleeeeease)?

      As far as Pellegrino’s interview, it’s probably a good idea not to take too much from it. For one thing, we don’t know when he gave the interview, but it sounds as though it was a couple of weeks ago, when he was filming 7.15 and likely hadn’t seen any scripts beyond that. And Pellegrino, who is a self-confessed mythology and philosophy fan, does like to do his own speculating off what he gets in the script. For another, I don’t see where the real Lucifer would fit into the current mytharc, or how they would explain away Michael’s absence. I suppose it’s possible that Dean’s “secret” might turn out to be that Dean is also being slowly seduced and driven mad by Michael, that his revenge isn’t entirely coming from inside himself. But that wouldn’t explain why there is no change in what’s happening to either of them around the Leviathans. I just don’t buy that the Leviathans are weaker than the archangels, or lack Eve’s power to “unplug” angels. The Levies were created first and on this show, whatever’s created earlier has more cosmic power than later creations.

  11. Ginger

    WFB reported these episode titles:

    Spoiler TV released upcoming titles for season 7 episodes.
    7.13 “Slice Girls” (Feb 3rd)

    7.14 “Plucky Pennywhistle’s Magic Menagerie” (Feb 10th)

    7.15 “Repo Man” (Feb 17th)

    7.16 “Out with the Old” (March 9th)

    7.17 “The Born-Again Identity” (March 16th)

    7.18 “Party On, Garth”

    7.19 “Of Grave Importance”

    So it looks like Cas returns in 7.17 and Garth returns in 7.18.

    Have I mentioned I hate the title names since SG took over?

    1. Paula R. Stiles

      Thanks, Ginger. Can’t say I’m enthusiastic about the titles, either.

      @Marisol
      Alas, I can only speculate based on spoilers, not on crappy writing. And the show isn’t even consistent in that respect, as Dean saved the day at the end of seasons two and four, and Dean died at the end of season three (despite Sam’s best efforts). And season one was a big confrontation/revelation involving all of the Winchesters. It’s true that both brothers were fairly ineffectual in the last two season finales, but it’s not a given they will be this season, or that we’ll get a repeat of season five (with Sam being practically absent until the last five minutes and then heroically jumping into a giant plothole).

      @Lily
      I don’t know that I’m into Dean being seduced/possessed by Michael. If Dean goes dark, I’d like to see him do it, himself. I like the idea of Dean doing what he does because *he* decides to do it. But it’s possible that the writers want to take him so dark that they feel they need some kind of external excuse, so that they can do it and still have him around, afterward. But I’d prefer that they trust Jensen Ackles to keep us on board with Dean instead of giving Dean an excuse. Giving Sam excuses has only weakened his character and the same with Castiel. I’d rather they stop doing that.

      On the other hand, they may need a metaphor to show this conflict onscreen. They’ve already got Sam arguing with his inner demon. They could have some kind of parallel for Dean (maybe involving an inner Leviathan), or they could go for a different visual metaphor. Or they could ignore it. We don’t know, yet. We’re barely over halfway through the season and the second half is usually pretty different from the first half.

  12. Marisol

    @Paula
    I love your line: “On this show, whatever’s created earlier has more cosmic power than later creations” which of course, is true because Dean, having been created first, has more cosmic power than Sam. In spite of Sam’s special status, Dean has had a wider effect on the universe than Sam has even when Sam jumped in the hole. Sam would never have been able to do that without Dean affecting Sam’s control over Lucifer. So Dean being the big threat to the leviathans is a logical progression. The only thing is, that regardless of whether or not Sam’s arc this season has been tied to the leviathans, the show has no qualms about throwing aside logic and making Sam’s story miraculously tie in through some weird leap of logic as they did in S5. Sam, containing Lucifer might still come out of left field and save the day leaving Dean, once again on the side lines wringing his hands. On the other hand, it doesn’t look like that will happen, Dean has been in the forefront all season and all signs seem to point to Dean finally get the pay off he deserves.

  13. Lily

    @PaulaWill they remember the year off between seasons five and six, and place it in the middle of season four, or will it occur during the Writers Strike hiatus of season three, when Dean’s deal was in effect (Please, Show, don’t inflict any flashbacks with Ruby in them on us. Plllleeeeease)?

    Sounds like season 3. I agree no Ruby! I couldn’t stand The French Connection because she was in it so spare us the torture!

    As far as Dean and MIchael, I find this idea very interesting! Dean is so like 2014 Dean as of late. I’m not sure how I feel about Dean going in this direction.

  14. lluvia

    I have read that Jensen and Jared are contracted for an eighth season, so if there’s a renewal, both are sure to be back. Have you heard this, Paula?

    1. Paula R. Stiles

      @Iluvia
      Padalecki has said in his recent interviews that he’s signed on for a season eight and is willing to do it, baby or no baby. Ackles has been saying for a while that he will do it as long as the show is on. I think Padalecki has been the more unsure one in the past few years, so his recent commitment is important. Ackles seems to be more involved in the show than ever, especially behind the scenes. I think he’s too invested to leave before the show ends on its own.

      @Lily
      A problem I have with Dean being seduced by Michael is that Michael, as written in the show, is much less than Dean. Michael was never portrayed as more than a smug, favoured son who turned whiny when challenged. Dean is a much stronger and more powerful character than SPN’s Michael could ever be. Superpowers are pretty, but they don’t matter if the character him/herself is hollow and weak. Dean letting someone like that get inside him is like watching a strong and powerful woman let some smooth-talking snake into her bed. Though, if they went with the idea of Dean retaining control, forcing Michael’s powers to his own bidding and in service to his own madness, that could be pretty interesting.

      As for Dean versus the Leviathans, I think a lot depends on how closely related they are to Eve. For example, if they are stronger than angels and archangels, the way Eve was, then they must also be vulnerable to Phoenix ash, which is inside Dean’s system. So, if that turns out to be true, all it would take for Dean to win would be to figure out where best to put his blood. Or to jump into a plothole full of black goo.

  15. Lily

    Hello Paula,
    What interests me about the Michael angle is the myth arc which set Sam as the demon’s special child. Season four’s episode, In the Beginning, seems to imply that Sam’s path came about as a consequence of Dean’s confrontation with the YED. Now I could be wrong, but I just think Dean’s destiny set the course of events which led to Mary’s deal, and ultimately tainted Sam.

    So it’s not so much that Dean is channeling Michael, as much as their shared characteristics as heaven’s mighty sword. The leviathans fear Dean so their has to be something special about him other than Dean being a formidable adversary.

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