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Happy New Year, everyone! We hope it will be a happy and productive one for you. This week, we have more news and spoilers about upcoming books, Once Upon a Time, Doctor Who, and Supernatural. You can access previous spoilers columns here.
Horrific Reads, Bloody Off the Press
By Nathaniel Katz
The first week of this year doesn’t seem to be the most populous, insofar as horror releases are concerned, but what it does bring seems more than intriguing enough to make up for that.
For those of us who have missed out, the first three novels of Ian Woodhead’s Zombie Armeggedon series are now available in one volume. In Triptych Decay, we see it all begin, as zombies erupt in Breakspear Gardens, wreak havoc while a Country singer tries to entertain the Stockholm Club’s crowd, and make their way all the way to the posh housing of Greenacre Rise.
Perhaps, though, we should take a step back from such an all-encompassing apocalypse and focus on a single woman. Well, to be more precise, a single psychic woman. Julia Severn is well aware of this ability of hers. She is, in fact, at a school for psychics. But that is not to say that all is well. As her relationship with her mentor falls to pieces, Severn begins a supernatural investigation into the cause of her mother’s life and suicide. From there, the plot of The Vanishers by Heidi Julavits explodes.
Finally, I’d like to turn your attention to a recent release from a few weeks ago that, I must admit, I missed completely at the time. I am talking about The Tainted Earth , a collection by George Berguno now out from Egaeus Press. The volume contains eight stories and a novel, all of which promise to be strange as can be and fantastic in every sense of the word.
Once Upon a Time (Sunday nights, 8pm, ABC)
By Heather S. Vina
A bit of new casting information, to start the new year off!
TV Line announced that actress Sonequa Martin-Green (The Walking Dead and The Good Wife) will appear in multiple episodes as Tamara.
Adam Horowitz announced on his Twitter account the title for episode 16: “ep. 216 ‘The Miller’s Daughter’ — and thus endeth the #OnceUponATime 2012 #holidayspoilersHappy New Year!”
Could Tamara be “The Miller’s Daughter”?
He also announced that Julian Morris will be making another appearance as Prince Phillip, and soon: “Yes, Prince Philip as brilliantly portrayed by @Ju1ianMorris will return… And soonish. #OnceUponATime #holidayspoilers”
TVLine reported that Horrowitz announced on his Twitter feed that Smee would also be returning. The titles of episodes 14 and 15 are “Manhattan” and “The Queen Is Dead.”
The Vancity site has some more behind-the-scenes location pictures up, looks like for the same episode. You can find them here and here.
Spoiler TV has up the latest promo for the next new episode, “The Cricket Game,” on their site.
Huffington Post has up the extended promo up on their site.
Remember that the show returns on January 6!
Doctor Who (Saturday nights, 9pm, BBCAmerica)
By Heather S. Vina
Well, “The Snowmen” has aired! What did everyone think of it? I quite enjoyed it, but I will save my thoughts for my review! In England, the episode received an Appreciation Index of 87, which, as the DoctorWhoNews site states, makes it “higher than the majority of the previous Christmas Day specials, with last year’s ‘The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe’ scoring 84. Only the first part of the Tenth Doctor’s swan song, ‘The End of Time – Part One,’ equalled the score of 87.” It was beaten by Downton Abbey and Call the Midwife, both of which scored 90.
The overnight ratings are also in (Finals will be out in the next week or so). It was the fifth most watched show of the day, with an audience of 7.59 million viewers, which was a share of 33.9% of the total TV audience. That’s down from last year’s overnight figure, where it had 8.9 million watching. But last year, it also aired later, which helped its ratings.
Executive Producer Caroline Skinner did an interview with io9, where she teases what’s coming up for the coming season and the Doctor’s relationship with his new Companion.
There’s no date announced yet for the second half of the season. But meanwhile, you can watch the trailer for it here and, hopefully, they will release the date soon!
And to tide us Doctor fans over, the Royal Mail has announced that they will be releasing a set of stamps, featuring all of the Doctors, for the 50th Anniversary! Alas, Matt Smith’s picture does leave a bit to be desired, but it’s all very exciting!
Now I just need to figure out how to get my hands on a set of those….
Supernatural (Wednesday nights, 9pm, CW)
By Paula R. Stiles
There are no new episodes until January 16. In contradiction of the print TV Guide‘s confusing description, the CW is listing this week’s repeat as “What’s Up, Tiger Mommy?”. Since that’s the most logical repeat they would air next, it makes sense. Not that they’ve followed logic much in the past when it comes to scheduling repeats.
The official description for the next episode, “Torn and Frayed” (8.10), originally entitled “Don’t Stop Believing,” is up:
“CASTIEL MUST SAVE A FELLOW ANGEL – Naomi (guest star Amanda Tapping) tells Castiel (Misha Collins) that Crowley (guest star Mark Sheppard) is holding an angel captive and Castiel must rescue him before Crowley finds out their secrets. Castiel turns to Dean (Jensen Ackles) for help. Meanwhile, Sam (Jared Padalecki) meets with Amelia (guest star Liane Balaban) who asks him to make a choice: stay with her or leave and never contact her again. Robert Singer directed the episode written by Jenny Klein (#110).”
I’ll admit that I don’t care much one way or the other about the fate of Alfie (the angel Crowley is torturing in the promo) and that I’m not wild about seeing yet more Crowley torturing, either. I think we’ve seen enough, already, to know that Crowley is EVOL. Torturing is practically all we see him do these days. We get it, show. Move on.
I couldn’t care less about Samelia, but we’re getting it, so it is what it is.
On the other hand, I’m intrigued that Castiel is only turning to Dean. It contradicts the usual CW promo thing of “Sam and Dean” for storylines that are really Dean-oriented. It looks as though Sam’s storyline with Amelia may set him apart from the main action, though the promo does indicate he’ll be involved to at least some extent. This does rather disappoint me, since resolving both of the cliffhangers (the rift between the brothers and Amelia popping up in real time) seems like a waste of dramatic tension. Why not give them separate episodes? But hey, maybe they will. These promos have been very misleading in the past.
The title for 8.17 has come out. It’s “Goodbye, Stranger.” SPN_Party has a nifty table up of all the titles and airing dates so far, though keep in mind the caveat they’ve put up top that the upcoming dates haven’t yet been changed to reflect the January 16 start date. I don’t know if the show will close up its previously scheduled gap and air a new episode the last week of January to make up for the later midseason start date or not.
I’ve seen some decidedly odd spec about this title, apparently because a lot of people don’t remember Supertramp’s massive hit of the same title from the 70s on their album, Breakfast in America. It’s a song about a guy who is ditching his latest lover, abandoning her before dawn while she’s still asleep. He is a gay blade who engages in a series of short-term relationships because he loathes commitment or anything that might tie him down. In fact, it could easily apply to the end of most of either brother’s long series of hookups. The chorus is most relevant:
Goodbye, Stranger.
It’s been nice.
Hope you find your paradise.
Tried to see your point of view.
Hope your dreams will all come true.
Goodbye, Mary. Goodbye, Jane.
Will we ever meet again?
Feel no sorrow. Feel no shame.
Come tomorrow, feel no pain.
The most obvious spec to me is that it’s about a final break between Sam and Amelia. It could also indicate a major break between the brothers (“Tried to see your point of view”). Also possible is that the “stranger” and the narrator of the title are guest characters we haven’t met yet and the brothers aren’t actually involved in in the title conflict of what will effectively be an MOTW episode. Though, admittedly, the 17th episode of a season is usually a pretty major mytharc one.
Less likely, though possible, are Castiel or Benny being killed off or otherwise written out. However, they are not strangers to Dean and Sam’s relationship to them both is not at all like the song’s lyrics. We don’t even know if either of them is in the episode. So, I think that spec is pretty unlikely.
There’s what looks like a new CW promo out for the new year. There is some season eight stuff from the show in it that flashes past, though the only thing that looked at all new was a bit with the brothers in suits turning away from a set of green doors. And that could have been from 8.02.
Also, TV Line’s now doing a slideshow for its spoilers of upcoming shows returning in January. The one for the show plugs the Charlie episode (again? Really?) and has a pretty vague quote by Jeremy Carver about Grandpa Winchester: “When you meet your father’s father, that brings up some of your father issues. In other words, what did your father’s father have to do with the way your father turned out? A lot of that is explored head-on.” The photo, which is from “A Little Slice of Kevin,” appears to be new. I think. Anyway, it’s pretty nice.
Ratings for last week’s repeat of the season premiere were surprisingly good, gaining the show a 0.4/1 and 1.21 million in audience. This tied it with Arrow and The Vampire Diaries for first place in the demo and it came in second for audience after Arrow.
Otaku on Television by the Numbers posted some more numbers for the show’s overall performance this season so far.
We’ll be back next week with more spoilers. Stay tuned and check out our reviews of Game of Thrones, Doctor Who, Torchwood, The Event, Once Upon a Time, Grimm and Supernatural.
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I watched the first half of the episode last week – I enjoyed it up ’til the part where Kevin takes over. But I’m glad the ratings were good. I’m still undecided regarding watching live when Show comes back, but I will watch, one way or the other.
I’m trying to read nothing into the episode titles and the spoilers, because the hysterical spec that’s going on is frankly turning me off. Too much fanwank, and it’s depressing me. I’ll give Carver a chance to establish his stamp on Show, before I make any decisions. Personally, I’m all for the guys splitting up – Let Dean be the Hunter supreme, and Sam become homebody bookboy. I don’t think it’ll happen, but that sounds good to me.
Thanks for the update Paula.
I’m hoping we get a resolution to the Samelia stuff long before episode 17 otherwise my fast forward button will be getting a work out.
Since the boys are supposed to air their differences in episode 13, I don’t see it being a major break between the boys.
Hopefully we’ll get some promo pics for episode 10 soon.
As for Crowley, I’m not sure they’ll kill him off. Hell needs to be represented in the battle for the tablet.
As you pointed out, Paula, there has always been good and bad with the show, even in each episode. I’m not too thrilled with the spoilers I’ve heard about the upcoming episodes, but I’ll hang in there, because I still think JA is doing outstanding work this season and so far he has had some material meat to work with. I can guarantee that I will not enjoy the Charlie episode, however.
Completely agree with you about Crowley. They’ve sure brought that character down to one dimensional. I liked Alfie when he was first introduced, but if he’s going to be just a stage prop, I have no interest in him either.
I don’t even try to speculate about where the episodes or the mytharc might go. The writers always surprise me, sometimes for the good and sometimes not so much. I’m fairly content that this season is a big improvement over S6 and S7 and that they have made use of JA this season, even if I can’t stand Samelia.
The thing I’m curious about in the upcoming episode is that Jenny Klein wrote it and I want to see how she does. She wrote Out With The Old, which was not a strong episode, but it was kind of fun. I didn’t dislike it. I’m all for giving people who work on the show a chance to make a career move, so I hope this one is solid. If I remember back correctly, the episodes following the hiatus haven’t been all that strong, but this one holds the promise of kicking off the mytharc, and I’m ready for that to begin.
LARP and the Real Girl Synopsis
SUPERNATURAL — (9:00–10:00 p.m. ET)
“LARP and the Real Girl” (Content Rating TBD) (HDTV)
FELICIA DAY RETURNS! — Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) investigate the mysterious deaths of two LARPers (Live Action Role Playing) who were playing a game entitled Moondoor. The guys are thrilled to discover the Queen of Moondoor is none other than Charlie (guest star Felicia Day). The three learn that a fairy (guest star Tiffany Dupont) has been commandeered to harm people and the only way to stop her is to find her master. Jeannot Szwarc directed the episode written by Robbie Thompson.
Guess this answers the non-mystery of whether or not Sam chooses Amelia or Dean.
Happy New Year, guys!
@shamangrrl
I hear you. Spec can be fun but not when it turns toxic.
@Ginger
I’m meh about Klein. In the past, she’s come across as Julie Siege 2.0, which doesn’t make me jump for joy. On the other hand, Carver strikes me as a very hands-on showrunner who has drawn some surprisingly good work out of some previously weak writers. And it is true that “Out with the Old” had its good points. Though, if Singer’s collaborations with Gamble and Klein are any indication, he’s had some good ideas. So, we’ll have to see.
@crowley_gal
Crowley can be replaced, just like every other Big Bad. The problem with him is two-fold–he’s become one-note and predictable, and we already know what he’s after. ‘Fraid it’s time for another Big Bad if they want to advance the plot.
Besides, there’s Naomi. I’m kinda meh about her so far, but that’s mostly because we know so little about her.
The 8.11 synopsis sounds a good bit more promising than the episode has, previously. I’m going to assume that the brothers being “thrilled” to run into Charlie again is the usual CW promo department irony going on. I can’t imagine Dean, at least, being over the moon about running into her again.
However, the fairy aspect could be very cool. A great deal depends on what they do with it–and yeah, I do mean whether or not Dean can see fairies, still. He should, and I suppose they wouldn’t have brought back fairies at all if they didn’t intend to bring that up, too. It’s too major. Also, Thompson (“Bitten” aside) has been good with Deancentric mythology in the past. Remember Ellen’s message from the other side in “The Mentalists”?
It would also be really nice if they (and Sam) remembered that Sam was soulless at the time of the last fairy ep and nearly screwed up the hunt completely by being a total dick to Dean. It really aggravated me that the only real fallout from Soulless Sam for Sam himself was the execrable “Unforgiven,” in which Sam worried about hurting pretty much everyone *but* his brother in the previous year and a half, and Bobby being upset with him over the “tried to kill the Daddy figure” thing for all of five minutes.
“Moondoor,” “Mordor,” hardeharhar, show.
One would hope that they would remember the fairy connection (why else have it as a plot ); however Dean’s vampire past has yet to be mentioned and he was the righteous man in seasons 4-5, but not in 7? Ohhhh, mad again.
The larping episode actually sounds like fun. I hated Unforgiven (should be called unforgivable) and was cursing the stupid soulless plot again tonight when Sam tells Mrs tran being soulless is worse than death. Funny I remember SS happy to kill Bobby dearest to remain soulless.
Sam just sucks all of the joy out.
This news from the WFB website: Clif Kosterman (@bodyguard4jandj) confirmed on Twitter that Jared and Jensen have been invited and are going to the People’s Choice Awards. It is still unknown if they are there to present or accept awards, or both. The guy from Arrow is also invited. Winners aren’t notified until the 8th. The show is televised on Jan 9th.
I’m still mad about last year and I don’t think I can sit through another of their stupid broadcasts, but at least the show and the J’s aren’t considered the red-headed step-children this year.
@castiel’scat
But you’d expect vampires to return. They were in the show before season six and Carver dealt with them heavily in “Being Human” (which returns to Syfy on the 14th, by the way). That was why I was unsurprised to see werewolves brought back, despite their having one underwhelming episode of the “Let’s not go there again, shall we?” variety back in season two.
Also, the writers at the time gave themselves a backdoor when they cured him. Though I’m not convinced that is finished. There is something going on between Dean and the vampires that is very Blade-like. The hatred of vampires that Benny refers to in 8.10 (which you would think should be natural to humans) is cast as self-hatred in Dean. The irony is that Dean’s self-hatred, like Benny’s, at least partly stems from choosing a vampire over his own kind, which is supposed to be humanity, just as Benny has chosen a human over vampires.
The thing is that fairies were introduced in a single episode that was fully intended as a one-shot. Fairies weren’t so much as mentioned, thereafter. So, bringing them back is more…fraught, shall we say, because they are are so tricky and powerful. What we know of fairies is that they are invisible to most humans except when they choose (which is not most of the time). But they are visible to anyone kidnapped to their realm, who is always a firstborn. And there’s only one person who’s ever escaped their realm, who is Dean. This was a major element of the episode, so it would be really crappy writing to ignore that.
Also, I guess I’m just hoping they don’t forget that and then do some horrific Mary Sue crap again with Charlie and have *her* be able to see them. I’m cautiously trusting they won’t, though, considering she was unable to see Ghost!Bobby.
Another thing is that the fairy in the story is being compelled by a human. So, she needs to be able to communicate with someone who can see her. It’s not a given that any fairy but the very-powerful leprechaun even had the power to become visible to humans. Or, conversely, she’s hiding from them, which means someone who can see her when she goes invisible is imperative for them to hunt her in the story.
@Ginger
Yeah, I saw that. It was going around last night, but it was a pretty old and vague rumor at the time, so I didn’t put it up.
It doesn’t necessarily say anything about who won, but if they invited both Padalecki and Ackles, I’m guessing they/the show won at least one of the awards they were up for.
I thought it was nice to see Stephen Amell invited. Arrow deserves some awards love, too.
Got the hint and continuing the topic here. You said it better than I did but yeah…. that text pretty much tells us that Sam is no longer Sammy in Dean’s eyes. He’s lost preferred status. I would argue that Benny and castiel are trustworthy in his eyes and that he considers protecting both part of the program. The machete might indicate that he no longer trusts blindly but he’s never been a fool regarding the supernatural, just Sam. I am amazed that no one seems to get that this is no simple fight. Dean has changed and the way he sees Sam has changed. I guess it is pretty radical, and definitely game changing. It is so outre it’s inconceivable, except it appears to be the current status quo.
Crowley is being fairly hands on and common. Maybe naomi is messing with him too!
I was suspicious of samadireal initially but now that I have settled into the season he seems very gentile and sentimental for an angel.
Just one thing to say. Didn’t need Charlie the first time around. Sure as hell don’t need to see her again a second time. I know this is a highly unpopular opinion among the fanbase since seemingly everbody is head over heels in love with her character, but I. Don’t. Like. That. Character. At. All. I didn’t found her to be interesting or original. In fact, I personally found her annoying and quite stereoptypical. But who knows, maybe this episode will turn me into a “Charlie-Fan”. I doubt it though…
Oh, something else that I just realized. “The LARP and the Real Girl” reference of course calls back to “Lars and the real girl”, where the main characters falls in love with a sex doll, but he treats and seems to see her as being alive and a real person. Now I couldn’t wrap my head around why this movie might be referenced, now that we know that fairies are involved it might make a lot more sense since then basically Dean will be the only one seeing them (being alive) just like the doll was alive for Lars.
Loved that movie, especially how the whole town supported the delusion and he eventually was able to find a real girl. The titles do seem more carefully chosen this season. I mean Benny does have a rosebud- his long lost humanity. They talked about kevin and he was sliced, people were bitten, hearts were hurt, etc.
I think it is easier for the comic episodes to fail and Charlie was a comic element in a heavily mytharc story. Personally tiger momma flopped for me for this reason. I liked Mrs tran but thought overall the episode was a very poor excuse for screwball. Huntes heroci was better at comiedy I think. It works better for the situation to be comedic or absurd rather than to introduce a comic character into what should be a serious story. To me Garth works better than Charlie because it underscores the fish out of water aspect of the character.
Could naomi be a pagan God. There has been two God episodes this season and one wonders why given the obvious desire to explore monster psyches and human behavior.
If Dean is a focus in the fairy episode it gives me hope that his sundry specialness might be important to the mytharc.
@castiel’scat
Hey, you never know. Samandriel may be involved in some kind of trap for his fellow angels. Crowley’s had plenty of time to work on him.
Thing is, the only thing torture really accomplishes in real life is to brainwash people. It’s very good at accomplishing that and all you really need to do is starve them and not let them sleep. Worked beautifully on the Templars seven hundred years ago.
Getting truth out of people…not so much. The show has a very naive view of torture and what it entails–or what is really the worst torture.
@AFriendOfAFriend
Oh. Well, you’ll be ecstatic to hear that I CAN’T STAND HER, either. If you want to feel better about it, reread my review of her first appearance. I had plenty to say about her God-help-us-show pseudo-PC shtick (I HATED the blatant attempts to Mary Sue her and deflect criticism by making her a lesbian. Show, making a character gay and sympathetic shouldn’t equate with turning them into the fictional equivalent of a baby seal that only a mean fan would want to club). I’ve got nothing against Day and her shtick worked for me well enough on Eureka. But Supernatural sure ain’t Eureka.
Didn’t Thompson create Charlie? Yikes, I think he did. And now he’s writing an episode with a lesbian character and a fairy…oh, dear. [facepalm]
The possible connection between Dean and the title is a good one (I’d just assumed the “real girl” was Charlie, but you’re right. It’s probably the fairy). Don’t know if it’s true, but I’d like it to be.
There were some set pics a while back for this episode where Jensen Ackles was the only one spotted arriving on set. That could support the idea that Dean is having fairy sightings. Considering how things went whenever he saw Red Cap, the poor guy is going to have a very hard time convincing Sam or anybody else that he’s not hallucinating. Yes, this is “real” Sam now, but I don’t think that will help. If anything, Sambot rolled with the crazy a bit more sanguinely than anybody with a soul ever would, let alone Sam with all his parts.
Oh thank god, I am not the only one! Will go read that review now.
Apparently, Jensen made the TVGuide Top 10 Actors of 2012 list.
Go, Jensen!
I think Dean will be the brother that learns he has a special purpose. This is why. Now that we know John’s family wasn’t civilian but also fighting the supernatural; we can see his post mary actions in a different light. What I see is that he prepared Dean for something, at a young age, and he was so serious about these preparations that there was no time for play. Before, this behavior was viewed as a hyper response to Mary’s death. Now, maybe he realized that there was no escaping the family curse/business ; and that Dean had work to do and responsibilities as the first born son.
Sam was not treated the same from what we’ve seen, which has undoubtedly contributed to his outcast mentality and chip the size of China. It makes no sense for one son to be trained relentlessly and the other cut slack. Sure he expected Sam to hunt but we’ve been given no indication that he received the same level of training and certainly he was sheltered from the truth for as long as possible whereas Dean was not. Dean is a born hunter. Innate ability? Bred? Promised to it by being the first born as the result of some ancestral deal?
I think Garth works better than Charlie but only marginally. A lot of it is in the writing. Charlie really has no reason to be in the Hunting world and makes the Trans look like superlative, experienced Hunters in comparison. Garth’s an idiot, but he’s an idiot who fits into what we already know about Hunters. The main problem with him is that the writers struggle to write him consistently, so he comes off as either the Village Idiot or Garth Stu.
I don’t know that Naomi can be a pagan god. That’s more power than they’ve had in the past. But I am curious to find out *what* she is. Could it be possible she’s a powerful fairy like a leprechaun? Or even Titania? It’s only speculation by Crazy Fairy Lady that the ruler of Fairie is a man, Oberon.
It’s not a given that Dean is the focus of the episode, but we are starting to get some hints of that possibility. This ties into your comments about Dean possibly being the brother with a special purpose. I think the fairy episode was the only one that ever dealt with the fact that firstborns are usually special in folklore. That’s been clouded a great deal over the years by Kripke’s obsession over turning Sam into Sammy Stu, but yeah. In earlier drafts of the pilot, the idea that Sam was an outcast and Dean the favored son (albeit practically a brainwashed serial killer) was much clearer. Now, the writers have an opportunity to address Dean being the firstborn and his true place in the family–not just as Sam’s big brother and babysitter.
Again, who knows if they really will do anything with John’s obsessive focus on training Dean or Dean being the Apex Hunter of the show, but you’re right that there is plenty of material to be used for such a story.
In the Grandpa Winchester episode, spoilers said that he had joined an anti-demonic cult in the 1950s to protect his son, John. I think it would be cool if demons have always targeted the first-born Winchester son, (perhaps because they would have had lore passed down that someday a first-born Winchester son would be Michael’s vessel). They certainly would do anything to protect against that! If Dean and Sam learn this, it would be a game-changer, because the way Supernatural began and operated in the first three seasons, with Mary’s deal about Sam, would suddenly become of secondary importance, and the focus would shift to the age-old war between demons and Winchesters, for the first-born’s soul. In this regard, John too was a first (only?)-born and demons tried to break him in Hell too, for a very long time. Perhaps that was the true reason John trained and trained Dean so hard and was so tough on him.
God, I love all your speculations about Dean. FINGERS CROSSED TIMES A MILLION for it really being Dean, who learns his place – it really would make a lot of sense especially now with that fairy episode before that one tha might re-visit that whole firstborn-lore-stuff – and something major and game changing and myth-arc-y about himself. Show, please?! PLEASE!!!!
Yes Paula, thinking about fairies and their interest in firstborns , and why revisit that led me down this particular path of speculation. I don’t think the MOTW are chosen randomly this season.
Weren’t Titania and Oberon co-rulers in Midsummer’s Night Dream? But naomi as a fairy is interesting. Again this bodes well for Deangirls.
Yes, Titania and Oberon were co-rulers. They were also equally powerful co-rulers. The mainspring of the conflict in the woods section stems from a power struggle between Oberon and Titania over a young human boy and who gets to have him. The time being what it was, Oberon wins the conflict because he’s the man, but it’s not because Titania is actually any less powerful than he is. Oberon’s threats in the beginning have no effect and he is forced to weak subterfuge and treachery – essentially roofieing Titania – to get what he wants. Come to think of it, it’s a big flip on the usual storyline of a weak woman using a love philtre to make a powerful man do what she wants.
Sigh. I read ToM’s midseason round-table review last night. Admittedly the article did not open properly so I missed a word or two along the left margin. Still, why the obsession with the nonstory. Someone (I think AJ) actually said Dean doesn’t have Ptsd, Sam does and no wonder, poor baby he’s been through so much! AAAAAAAHHHHH!!! So sorry that Dean’s never had the luxury of a mental break-down, or someone else that he can blame for his actions.
No discussion of the potential of Dean’s story. If this is the content of most “critical” web content, TPTB can be excused for dropping purgatory for Dippy samelia soap.
Nonetheless I think Carver will give everyone a story and as a storyteller first and foremost (at least he seems that to me), he won’t waste the lovely potential of DEANdeandean.
I’ve kept track of various reviews from those represented on the ToM mid-season review this season and overall I have to say I find the quality of their analysis is pathetic. Everything is so saccharin sweet towards the show, that I get a sugar high reading them. When I take the time to read the comments under the various reviews, though, I often find that the posters don’t necessarily agree with the reviewer. The posters are most honest in their feelings, I would say. (Twitter is a whole ‘nother’ universe and the smoozing that goes on there with various people connected with the show is…well, I find it embarrassing, but I guess you could use the word ‘amazing.’ I could see some big heads growing out of that form of media
My point is not to criticize those reviewers, however, it is to say that I am afraid that is just the type of feedback TPTB pay attention to, and I’m not sure they take the time to read comments. I do get the impression, though, that the TPTB are aware of what the fandom in general likes (Purgatory) and don’t like (Samelia).
LOL. I was rummaging around internet for something new to read on supernatural, and buy did I find it! Some blog in which CF was reviewed. Their take, Dean is clearly under Benny’s mind control and Sam will eventually save him by beheading Benny. Evidence? Dean turns his back on Benny numerous times and did not recognize Benny’s bloodlust at the sight of deans blood. Sam did no wrong. Everything was Dean’s fault, especially the text. They have one follower, bless their heart.
Hmm… I seemed to have missed two spoiler columns.
“Nonetheless I think Carver will give everyone a story and as a storyteller first and foremost (at least he seems that to me), he won’t waste the lovely potential of DEANdeandean.”
That is why I fear the second half of the series. Yes, Carver will give equal time to JP and that means his arc which is Samelia. I really don’t want or need to see Sam go after a married woman and I’m hoping that he gets into his ‘redemption’ arc ASAP after the series resumes. It was stated that TPTB would try to minimize the love triangle as much as they can.
As for PTSD, Based on what we saw in the show, Dean really didn’t have it, and while anyone can get PTSD depending on their psyche, I really don’t see how they can claim Sam has it. At best you could make a claim that he has PTSD from clowns but that has nothing to do with Dean. Right now, he would just as soon see Dean dead, and that isn’t PTSD…its narcissism.
As for Dean and the fairy world, I’m betting it has nothing to do with the Charlie episode other to say they have run into them before if they do that much. It seems to me that Carver really doesn’t want to use any of the past arcs. He wants all this to be his and I can live with that…as long as he shows Sam to be what he really is. That’s why he has never used the Vampire!Dean stuff either.
And Jim Michaels tweeted this morning that the J2′s are at the PCA ceremony to present an award. Course that doesn’t mean they would be receiving some too.
Uh…that should be ‘won’t’ be receiving some. Not would.
Chill out, people. You don’t know for certain will happen in the second half of the season because you haven’t seen it, yet. We’re not even through the first half and what we’ve had so far has had plenty of Dean.
Perspective time: I’m quite sure the fans of some other shows that didn’t last even half as long as SPN has would have loved the opportunity to complain about the four seasons they never got. It could be *much* worse. Quit yer beefin’.
And knock it off with the actor-bashing, or I will get mean with my moderating.
Sorry if I was too negative. Long hiatus and no one else is talking about possiblities about Dean. I usually am upbeat! I missed the actor bashing here. Maybe a different column?
Just read that Jensen is an expecting dad. Seem his wife will be showing her condition at the PCA this Wednesday. The child is due later this year.
It occurs to me that another baby on the show may mean both leads want more time off. We could be looking at a game changing cliff hanger in may.
I rather doubt it. If Jared Padalecki becoming a dad in March didn’t result in less Sam in the story, I doubt Ackles becoming a dad in what sounds like April or May will do it. Though I’d be rather surprised if he directs an episode this next season.
He would be foolish not to. He needs the exposure and more experience under his belt. I strongly suspect that after SPN Ackles well switch to directing.
If he’s so exhausted that he can’t see straight, he won’t be able to direct. And your child is only a baby once.
Or more recurring characters. Some of the episodes that were very Winchester lite were very good. “Weekend at Bobby’s” for instance. I wouldn’t mind more Benny at all.
It really depends on the guest characters. More Benny? Absolutely. Ghostfacers? Sure. Charlie? Garth? Please, no. And that werewolf girl from “Bitten” needs to go away and die offscreen, never to be seen again.
I also fear episodes where both brothers are sidelined in their own show for more than an episode at a time, or more than a few episodes in a season. That has *never* worked on any long-running show I’ve grown attached to. Whenever I think of the recurring characters taking over, I think of that horrible “Moonlighting” episode where the two sidekicks investigated after some godawful seizure dancing to “Wooly Bully” in the teaser, Maddie and David never so much as appeared, and I still wish I could have that hour of my life back.
Well it has started. Believe it or not, there are some fans on twitter who wish Danelle would lose the baby. Why are some people allowed to breathe our air?