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This week, we have spoilers for Once Upon a Time, Doctor Who and Supernatural:
Once Upon a Time (Sunday nights, 8pm, ABC)
By Heather S. Vina
ABC released the latest press release for the episode “Red Handed”, which, as suspected, is a Red Riding Hood/Ruby-centric episode.
“EMMA HIRES RUBY TO BE HER ASSISTANT AFTER SHE QUITS GRANNY’S DINER, AND RED RIDING HOOD YEARNS TO RUN AWAY WITH HER TRUE LOVE, BUT IS A VIRTUAL PRISONER WHEN A BLOODTHIRSTY WOLF WREAKS HAVOC ON HER VILLAGE, ON ABC’S ONCE UPON A TIME:
“‘Red-Handed’ – After quitting Granny’s diner and with her self-esteem at an all-time low, Emma hires Ruby to be her assistant in order to help her discover what it is in life that she’s good at; and Emma continues questioning David about the disappearance – and possible murder – of Kathryn. Meanwhile, in the fairytale land that was, Red Riding Hood yearns to run away with her true love. But she, along with her fellow townspeople, are virtual prisoners when a bloodthirsty wolf continues on its relentless killing spree, on Once Upon a Time, SUNDAY, MARCH 11 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.
“Once Upon a Time stars Ginnifer Goodwin as Snow White/Mary Margaret, Jennifer Morrison as Emma Swan, Robert Carlyle as Rumpelstiltskin/Mr. Gold, Lana Parrilla as Evil Queen/Regina, Jared Gilmore as Henry Mills, Josh Dallas as Prince Charming/David, and Raphael Sbarge as Jiminy Cricket/Archie Hopper.
“Guest starring are David Anders as Dr. Whale, Meghan Ory as Ruby/Red Riding Hood, Beverley Elliott as Granny, Eion Bailey as August, Jesse Hutch as Peter, and Bill Dow as Mayor Tomkins.
“Red-Handed” was written by Jane Espenson and directed by Ron Underwood.”
SpoilerTV has up larger sizes of the recently released promotional shots for the episode, “Dreamy”. Looks like Belle interacts with the Dwarves!
Matt at TVLine has a tidbit up about Dr. Whale and the episode “Red Handed”:
“Dipping into the reader mailbag, Macario wonders, ‘Do you know what the plan is (or was) for David Anders’ character on Once Upon a Time?’ Well, what I know is that Dr. Whale will resurface in Episode 15 (approximately mid-March), when the show turns its focus to Little Red Riding Hood and, presumably, shiny li’l Ruby as well. But if you’re also wondering if Mary Margaret might return to “playing doctor” if she and David can’t get their predestined act together, rest assured – that “fling” has flung. As a source tells the Inside Line, ‘The thing about Dr. Whale is he can’t be tied down.’ Hmm, is that a Pinocchio reference?”
The show this week was flat versus last week, at a 3.0/8 in the demos and 9.71 millions viewers (8.65 million last week). These are the overnights, so the finals (which were delayed because of the Monday holiday) could tick up a little bit.
Doctor Who (Saturday nights, 9pm, BBC America)
By Heather S. Vina
So they have started filming, and a few lucky people had their picture taken with Karen Gillian and Arthur Darvill. You can find the pictures at the Doctor Who News site. There’s also another actor pictured there by the name of ‘Mark Williams’, who is rumoured to be playing Rory’s dad.
The site also has up the first publicity photo for the new season, and the press release regarding it:
“Filming has just started on Series 7 of Doctor Who in Cardiff. This series will see the last days of the Ponds with Karen Gillian and Arthur Darvill returning for their final, rollercoaster voyage with The Doctor. Amy and Rory have been at the Doctor’s side for more than two series but what will he do after their heartbreaking departure?
“On returning for his third series as the Eleventh Doctor, Matt Smith says: ‘It’s thrilling and exciting to be back and working with two of my closest friends.’
“Karen Gillan adds: ‘It’s just brilliant to be back on the TARDIS with Matt and Arthur for our craziest adventures yet.’
“Series 7 will then see a dramatic turn of events when The Doctor meets a new friend. Prepare yourselves for thrills, adventures and dramatic surprises as the show builds towards its enormous, climactic 50th anniversary year. Fourteen big, blockbuster-movie episodes – each a brand new epic adventure featuring new monsters and some familiar foes as you’ve never seen them before.”
Kind of concerning, the bit about a “heartbreaking departure” for Amy and Rory! I wish we knew who the new Companion is. It almost sounds like s/he won’t be introduced until further into the new season.
Supernatural (Friday nights, 9pm, CW)
By Paula R. Stiles
Not a lot of episode news this week, perhaps in part because ONTD’s Supernatural Party is closing to new business (though you can still check out the old posts). Awww. I liked that spoiler community.
We also got a late producer’s preview last Wednesday for “Repo Man”.
The big news involves scheduling and there is both bad and good. The bad news is that the show’s return with new episodes has been pushed back a week, with 7.16 now coming out on March 16 (nice mnemonic) and 7.17 coming out on March 23. The good news is that the network has decided to air Supernatural repeats instead of The Secret Circle repeats on February 23 and March 1 on Thursdays at 9pm. The CW schedule for this week has confirmed that the usual repeat (a different one) will air in its usual slot on Friday. Yes, that’s right – specimens of Sus domesticus have reportedly gone aerodynamic over Greater Vancouver and the CW is airing two Supernatural episodes in one week. Twice.
Speculation naturally has turned to the possibility that the CW is looking into returning the show to its old Thursday night slot. We don’t actually know if that’s true or not, but it’s not a bad bet, either. The show is starting to look ridiculously overpowered in its current slot, what with being second in the network A18-49 demos for the second week in a row, in the spring where most shows (like, say, everything else on the CW) fall rather than hold steady or even rise (as Supernatural is doing). That’s usually when networks’ thoughts turn toward moving a show into a better time slot to see if it can rise some more, or at least make them look good in a more prominent slot. Let’s just hope, if that does happen, that the show’s move wouldn’t screw it up.
The pushing back of the show’s return was so last-minute that the promo for what looks like both 7.16 and 7.17 came out last Friday with the original date. And then they reaired it with the revised date. C-dub, you are scaring me with all this promotional conscientiousness. It’s as if you want people to watch this show. What a concept!
Producer Jim Michaels philosophically hinted that the latter hiatus we usually have in April has been shortened to offset the longer one in March. He also hinted that Ben Edlund might write another episode before the end of the season and that (whether or not Bobby will be back in some form this season) Jim Beaver is not likely to come back in season seven. Maybe in season eight, if there is one.
7.16 is still entitled “Out with the Old”. It’s co-written by Robert Singer and Jenny Klein. Robert Showalter is directing. No official synopsis, yet (though Dread Central reported a small synopsis-ette: “Think you know what’s going on? What lies ahead will shock all; even those you didn’t know still existed.”). Singer directs 7.17, as well (already reported as being written by Sera Gamble). 7.22 will start filming around the end of March.
Terry David Mulligan is guest starring on Supernatural in D.J. Qualls’ episode (probably 7.18, which was being filmed as of last week). He gets tasered by Garth. Speaking of 7.18, remember those set photos of D.J. Qualls I reported last week? Well, there are more, and wow, Sam’s looking pretty healthy and sane in them. I think he even has a shorter haircut (He looks like Jesus in Godspell in the latest promo).
I don’t normally post non-Supernatural-related news about show alumni, but we have interviewed her in the past and this current project of hers is pretty amazing. Cindy Sampson is off to Antarctica to film a sort of science fiction documentary and she’s got a new interview up about it.
Finally, ratings were nice and steady for “Repo Man”, going into this latest hellatus, with a 0.8/2 in the demo and 1.74 million. I know that Spoiler TV reported (from an alleged “inside source”) last week that Supernatural was still on the bubble, while Gossip Girl was “100% safe”, but I’m highly skeptical about it. Yes, Spoiler TV is usually pretty reliable and sure, Gossip Girl might survive to get another season. The CW would probably have to field five pilots (what with the current lousy ratings of Nikita, Ringer and Hart of Dixie, and the slot freed up by One Tree Hill‘s departure) to absolutely need Gossip Girl‘s slot, but I find it difficult to believe that show could be safe so early on and Supernatural not be so. For a little comparison, Supernatural just clocked in with the second-highest demo on the CW for the second week in a row, and yet another Live+7 rating of 1.2. Gossip Girl just got an overnight rating of 0.5/1 in the A18-49 and 1.01 million viewers (which could well drop in the finals to below one million). Nor is its previously vaunted W18-34 rating so hot, these days, either. Sure, it’s been rumoured in the past to get a (relatively) high demo of high-income households, but with only a million viewers, how many of the 1% could possibly still be watching it?
However you parse them, those are abysmal ratings. Or, as TV by the Numbers so succinctly puts it, they “stink.” I can’t imagine why the CW would be so anxious to keep a show like that (whose ensemble cast has only one year on their contracts and can’t wait to bolt), while waffling over a show with steady (even rising) ratings and only two leads, who have both publicly stated they’re happy to stick around. I don’t care how old Supernatural is. You can’t tell me the above numbers add up to Gossip Girl being safer than Supernatural, or that the network wouldn’t even consider the benefits of replacing Gossip Girl with something new.
So, speculation: First of all, the evidence is beginning to pile up that Sam’s epic and much-ballyhooed total breakdown won’t last for more than an episode or two (I’m taking into consideration that we haven’t seen 7.16, yet, or how much of his breakdown will be in it). Because there is Jared Padalecki filming 7.18 last week (You can just about see Qualls standing next to Jensen Ackles, indicating that no, it isn’t the tail end of 7.17 shooting out of order), with Sam upright and looking pretty healthy. After ending up committed and such the week before, no less. Also, his hair is shorter and less wild than in the promo for 7.16/7.17. Ergo, it seems that after being turned into a newt, he got better.
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry over this kind of soap opera plotting, but since I can’t stand that storyline, I think I’m fine with it, as long as they don’t do any more Holy Drywall, or God knows what-all, and actually resolve it. Those who love this storyline deserve a resolution to it, regardless of whether or not the show gets renewed. Those who hate it deserve to see it resolved and finally put away while Padalecki is still able to devote his full attention to his role this season.
Also in the promo, we got what we were all waiting for – Twinkies! Oh, no, sorry, wrong category of guilty pleasures. I actually mean the brief shot of Misha Collins, in street clothes, turning around toward Dean and (Yes, I do believe) Meg. He looks angsty rather than terrified, so perhaps he really is still Castiel. Jimmy would look freaked out of his gourd at the sight of those two, methinks.
It looks as though Jim Beaver really won’t be back this season, which I kind of figured (though I’m happy for his busy new schedule), but I don’t know what that means for Bobby. Since this show likes to give us an actor to go with the ghostly influence, though, I’m leaning toward whoever (or whatever) is haunting Dean not being Bobby, especially since Dean desperately wants it to be Bobby.
We’ll be back next week with more spoilers. Stay tuned and check out our reviews of Game of Thrones, Doctor Who, Torchwood, The Event, Once Upon a Time, and Supernatural.








I guess the good news here is that 7.16 is written by Robert Singer and directed by John Showalter. Singer also wrote Sin City, which I liked very much, and I really like John Showalter’s direction.
I’m not usually very impressed with what the show calls shocking, but I’m thinking the: “Think you know what’s going on? What lies ahead will shock all; even those you didn’t know still existed” probably refers to Cas. Wanna bet seeing Cas in the episode will be the closing shot, to be followed by SG’s “Born-Again Identity”. Uhmm…born again…sounds like Cas is still an angel to me.
I hope there isn’t a lot of Garth in the Garth episode, but SG does seem to like to focus on anybody other than Sam and Dean.
You know, I’m really getting frustrated with this season. It started out pretty good, and we’ve had mostly decent episodes, but it would be nice to know what the damned story is this season. We are talking about the last third of the season after all, and I don’t know what the real story is. I would really like to get invested in something solid, instead of sub-text, coy teases, and hoping that whatever it is will work out in the end. Something with a little bit of action attached to the supernatural would be nice, too. I guess I can look forward to 7.17 and hope the village idiot gets killed off, instead of shows up the two brothers with all his idiocy (or worse yet, saves their lives somehow).
Thanks for the round up Paula.
I have to agree that the photo are from 7.18. Mainly because they were released around the same time as the casting call for Annie. I don’t know much about how the TV industry works but I would think they would have all the parts cast before they start to film.
More reasons is that the character of Annie was said to be past flame of both Sam and Dean. Why would they cast a character from their past like that if she wasn’t going to act with both Sam and Dean.
I’m wordering if Sam becomes semi-functional and he stays behind to fulfil Bobby’s researcher role to accomadate JP’s time off. It gives less Sam but give still includes him in the episode.
I’m waiting for the e. 16 summary because it has a very Stephen King Needful Things vibe and that was one of his best books (IMO), especially since the title had been Another Man’s Treasure.
I know it may turn out to be completely different, but it still looks interesting, and I’m curious to see who was beating up Dean. That foot looked to small to be Sam’s.
Plus, I want to find out what was in the box Dean was carrying.
I wonder why they would bother to refurbish the impala if they weren’t going to renew the show. They haven’t really used it this year and yet they put somewhere around 20 to 30 grand into fixing it up. Makes no sense unless it is going to make a triumphant entry into the leviathan fight and continue on to season 8 and beyond. Of course, they hired Misha Collins full time last year and then barely used him either, so maybe it’s a pattern (lol).
I read an article last year on WFB, and some tweets yesterday, about the CW’s seemingly odd renewal practices. Gossip Girl brings in the most amount of ad revenue of all CW shows, and the price for ads is locked in for another year. So low ratings or no, GG brings in more ad money to the CW than any other CW show, and won’t be canceled yet. SPN is second to last, its price per commercial no where near the level of Gossip Girl. But then SPN is owned by Warner Brothers so that skews it. Anyway, it’s not just about ratings, it’s also about money and cost, and the CW does have some methods to its renewal madness.
Of course, IMO, if they don’t renew SPN, they’re just stupid.
I’m happy to hear Sam’s breakdown is going to be brief. It’s really been poorly handled and had they allowed JP to experience his breakdown like Dean did, it might have played out much better. I remember the subtle changes Dean would experience so we could get a glimpse of just how bad his stint in hell was for him. I think On the Head of a Pin gave us a view of what Dean suffered. Dean turning the table on Alastair was as dark as I think I ever saw Dean go. I would have thought it would have been a cathartic moment for Dean, but it was so painful since Dean seemed so vulnerable to the mind games Alastair was still able to inflict. I really believe Alastair was probably the most frightening character SPN has had on the landscape. Lucifer looks like child’s play next him, which is sad, don’t you think?
So God gave Cass another chance. I’m not surprised since he had good intentions. The one implication about Cass being reborn suggests that he might not be Dean’s guardian. DO you see it that way too? I really don’t want it to be Bobby. I would like to believe he moved on.
I’m not too worried about the season’s big picture, yet, since it took four years before we really learned the end game of the YED so I’m willing to wait as long as the focus remains on Dean. I think SPN will be renewed, but it looks like many of the CW shows will be gone. I saw a list of the potential pilots, but nothing seemed to jump out. Thank you for the spoilers!
@Ginger
I think a lot of people’s judgement of the storyline in its current state is clouded by the gaffes the show has made in the past. We know that the Leviathans have some kind of plan that involves a field in Wisconsin and covering the world with black goo (so, probably something to do with breeding). We know that Dean’s obsession with Dick is being coded as leading someplace very dangerous. We know that Dean is being haunted by an invisible being that is probably real and apparently benevolent. We know that Sam is being haunted by a Fauxifer hallucination that is probably not real, but is still driving him crazy. And we know that Misha Collins will be back for a recurring role in the next episode or two, apparently as an amnesiac Castiel. We also know that Meg will return.
I strongly suspect that Sam’s breakdown won’t be the climax of the season, since he will crash completely in 7.17 and appears to be up and hunting again in 7.18. I also strongly suspect that Jim Beaver won’t be in any of the rest of the season, which reduces considerably (though it doesn’t eliminate it completely) the likelihood that Bobby will return this season, let alone be behind Dean’s “visitations”.
So, we actually know quite a bit at this point. We just don’t know how it all hangs together and there is a (justified) fear that the season will go right off the rails and most of the above will be rendered moot.
@crowley_gal
The photos are confirmed as being taken last week and it’s also been reported that they were filming 7.18 last week. Plus, there is no evidence that Garth is in 7.17. So, it would require some real contortions in timeline logic for this to be a pre-Sam-breakdown photo, especially since Padalecki’s hair is shorter and styled differently than in the “breakdown” shots, or even what we saw last week.
Ergo, this is probably a shot of a scene set after the breakdown and indicating Life After Fauxifer is pretty good for Sam.
I’m skeptical that the writers will have this big breakdown storyline and not have Sam completely healed, afterward. Yeah, I know Gamble said at the beginning of the season that Sam would always have this, but the writers say a lot of stuff that never pans out.
Let’s say that Sam has the breakdown and is only partially healed. Then what? Where does the show go with it next? The whole build-up was to the breakdown. What can possibly come afterward that is as exciting or compelling? Where’s the tension if Sam can end up institutionalised and still come back okay? You can’t keep repeating that and not expect diminishing returns. They’ve already blown a lot of the suspense on talking about how getting his soul back (and then his drywall falling down) would destroy Sam–and then having him get his soul back, then his memories, and showing him doing Yoga stretches a few episodes later as if nothing had happened. They don’t want him to be unrealistically all better? Show, that ship has *sailed*. It’s hit an iceberg. It has sunk. Don’t keep resurrecting it.
A “Needful Things” vibe for 7.16? How does that figure? The phonograph in the promo?
I liked the first two thirds of “Needful Things”, but I thought it was one of his books that fell apart in the last part.
@Marisol
Actually, that’s only partially true. The ad revenues at the beginning of the season are not locked in for the entire season. If the show’s ratings tank, the network has to reduce the rates, accordingly (hence why shows don’t automatically get a full season and can be canceled halfway through). However, we’re not made privy to the changes in ad revenues within a season, only at the beginning of the season.
Gossip Girl’s ratings are horrible by any standard, including the CW’s (which is the important one for renewal). It might scrape by for another season on ending up with slightly better demos than some of the newer shows, but I can’t imagine what objective network logic makes it safer than SPN.
I don’t know that we can take anything from their refurbishing one of the Impalas, since the show does not make the decision whether or not to be renewed.
@Lily
We don’t know for sure that Sam’s breakdown subplot will be brief. I’m just pointing out why it may not last beyond 7.17.
Another important point–Sam’s hellpain has been blown up to be larger than it’s turned out to be quite consistently all season. So, those who are hoping to see a big blowout in 7.17 should take that under consideration and keep their expectations low. The hellpain subplot has been used pretty effectively to hide other, major plot points. Remember how everyone thought 7.09 would be an MOTW ep? Or how the emphasis on Sam flipping out over clowns masked Dean’s starting a dangerous trend in killing humans? Like that.
@ Paula: I will be the first to admit that I felt violated as a fan by Swan Song, followed by the Dean sidelining and Sam infatuation of S6 (along with all the other glaring problems in that season).
We do know all the stuff you mentioned about this season, but what we don’t know is whether the real story is going to end up being the brothers’ emo’ing Humptey Dumpty stories, whether it is the Levi mytharc, or whether it is Cas’s redemption. I am leaning towards eventually getting to the Levi story, mixed with Cas and Dean kissing and making up as a sub-plot. I don’t think we will get a definitive answer on Dean finding any love for hunting or self-worth for hunting at all, although we have been teased by that for two years now. What we also do know, 100% sure of in fact, is that SG is more than capable in taking the whole season off the rails in the last two episodes (especially since EK is writing the penultimate episode).
Also, like you, I see no other way than that Sam has to be 100% healed if we are to ever believe he is a hunter equal to Dean again. How many more seasons can there be of ‘what’s wrong with Sam’ and him still be a viable character? That one has already reached diminished return territory, as far as I am concerned. Given that he is up and hunting in 7.18, logic says that Sam’s hellucinations will wrap up in 7.17 and be a 2-episode story. I’d be surprised if it went on longer than that.
A poster on another board said Clif tweeted that JP’s baby due date is March 12th, and with production being extended for a week, I haven’t been able to figure out which episodes might be Sam-lite. It might be 7.20 and 7.21.
@Ginger
I did hear about the due date, but it did not seem to be specific-enough info to justify getting creepy-personal. I kind of wish they hadn’t leaked that. Saying it was mid-March was good enough for me.
A lot depends on how long Padalecki is gone on leave. Even then, they can’t expect him to do a lot of heavy lifting, acting-wise, before the end of the season. Anybody who’s ever had to live with and take care of an infant under the age of six months knows why. Padalecki seems aware of this, due to observing the toll it took on Misha Collins last season, and Collins didn’t have nearly the involvement in that season that Padalecki has had even this season. If he thinks he’s not getting any sleep now….
Where did you hear that Eric Kripke is writing 7.22? The only hint I’ve seen is someone speculating on Twitter that he might write *an* episode. Jim Michaels has been dead silent about it and Guy Norman Bee claims he doesn’t know who is writing it. My impression, such as it is, has been that Ben Edlund might be writing it.
As for Sera Gamble derailing the season, well, we really don’t have any evidence one way or the other, since both times, Kripke was effectively in charge both times the train went sailing right off the trestle, whistle blasting. If anything, I think this first Kripke-free season has had its refreshing moments.
Were I to hazard a guess (along the lines of: “Will they have the guts to send Dean to Hell?” at the of season three), I think the season will end in the predicted cliffhanger, with Dean engaged in a suicide mission. They’ve already set the brothers up as outlaws and spree killers, and I think Dean will turn full-on suicide bomber against Dick. Sam will realise it but too late to stop it.
So, do I think Dean will resolve his issues this season? Not a chance. Not with a cliffhanger and the show trying to keep things open for a season eight. But that doesn’t mean the season will end poorly, either.
I *do* expect them to go somewhere with the drinking and depression, because I expect some kind of progression for a character arc that has been referenced literally every single episode this season. I’m goofy that way.
@ Ginger What we also do know, 100% sure of in fact, is that SG is more than capable in taking the whole season off the rails in the last two episodes (especially since EK is writing the penultimate episode).
When did the show say Eric Kripke was writing the finale?
@Lily
Actually, 7.23 is the finale. 7.22 is the penultimate episode.
@Paula,
I think I’m getting the Needful Things vibe from the BTS shot of a store called Out with The Old. Then we see the kid with the phonograh and it telling him to do something. Kind of reminds me a bit of people finding the thing they desired most from the book and then it turning bad. We later see the kid with a knife. I could be totally off base, and most likely am, though.
@crowley_gal
Oh, you mean the old antiques shop in the book? It’s been about twenty years since I read that book, so I honesty didn’t remember the name of it. I do remember the BTS shot, though.
I’m still not sure if the kid with the phonograph is actually part of the episode or is a framing device for the clips (kind of like the “subliminal” Lucifer promo from season five). The bit of him with the knife indicates it’s episode footage, but that’s not a given.
@ Paula: I don’t remember where I read that EK was writing 7.22. I think it was a Jim Michaels tweet to someone. I’ll try to find it again, but I’ll be out-of-pocket most of today. Personally, I hope it is BE and that EK keeps far, far away from the SPN writers room.
I will be more than satisfied if they carry the Levi story over into S8, as long as Dean isn’t left laying in the dirt again or entering a rehab alcohol unit while Sam is the BDH. I’m not one to be dissatisfied because the story isn’t the one I would like to see, but the distrust both EK and SG have earned from me since Swan Song will not go away easily. Yes, sending Dean to Hell was incredible, and I couldn’t believe the show did that, but then they threw that all away with Swan Song.
@Ginger
LOL! I’m sorry. I just got an image of Dean forcibly committed to a hospital and digging himself out with a spoon. If they do a full-out breakdown for Dean, it definitely won’t be boring.
I’ve been following Jim Michaels’ tweets and haven’t seen anything about Eric Kripke. He did tease, though, that Ben Edlund would be back (which I kind of assumed would happen, anyway, but it was nice to hear).
Kripke is very, very busy right now, since he’s hip-deep in alligators–sorry, pilot season–with J.J. Abrams. I’m not sure where he’d find the time or energy (or even inclination) to write a script for SPN.
I hope Kripke stays away, though I love him. Having a writer come in dry in a season always backfires and we’d end up with a big non-sequitor script that feels off, and another rewrite of Swan Song in another key. Yeah for more Edlund though.
*Spoiler* I thought I read awhile ago a short summary of 7-16 that said it was about old people finding ways to be young again. I can’t find the source anymore, but I remember thinking that it sounded like a redo of The Curious Case of Dean W.
One thing I miss in these later years is devotion to the MOTW. Even when it wasn’t the main point of the story, the monsters/demons were always substantial and lovingly written. Now they’re like just footnotes. And this late, I want to hear about Leviathan.
Thanks for the round up Paula.
So sad to hear Jim Beaver is too busy to return this season. Really hoped the ‘ghost’ was him. As for EK writing a script, that would not surprise me. And yes, I can see it being asnother ‘Swan Song’ for ‘Sam the special snowflake’. With SG writing 7.17, if it wasn’t for Cas and Meg coming back, I wouldn’t watch it at all. And I know I will probably be angry about the SamStuff the whole week. I really can not understand why they want to anger 75% of there viewers with that stupid Sam plot.
And yes, I’m sure Sam silly plot is over in 7.17 which is good becasue I can’t stand having any more of Sam cramed down my throat, but bad becasue they have 5 episodes to spin the season aroung and have Dean totally gone and Sam saving the day. Especially if EK is back.
I KNEW and season with out Sam saving the world was too good to be true!!
What lies ahead will shock all even those you didn’t know still existed…
If this is authorized spoiler it sounds like no one is aware of what is really going on. And that someone not already spoiled as around will come into play. So perhaps deans protector is not cas or Bobby… who went splat that could be involved…
Balthazar was stabbed. Did we see light or burned wings. Was he even Balthazar since cas had thought him dead before seeing him in season 6. Who had a thing with the boys, was crafty, liked messing with folks, could create alternate realities And could fake their death? So perhaps Gabriel or Balthazar.
Raphael … he wouldn’t be helping Dean but could be back since he and cas are linked on the story.
I guess I view the show through Dean colored glasses. I saw him at the center of s6. He was the one that got Sam’s soul back and he was the one that knew immediately that Samuel was off. The alpha hunting was off. He killed eve. And once he realized cas was involved with crowley he led the charge to stop it. My problem with 6 was it felt directionless and too many episodes were meh.
This season better because of a handful of good episodes but has felt all over the place. Yes the handling of the Sam story and avoidance of the Levi arc contributes… but I think there is something I can’t put my finger on.
Maybe deans hell pain was better realized because ja acted as if he had been through unbelievable trauma, and despite not having a tell he sold it.
Does anyone else think the conspicuous pop culture icons as guest stars are weird… in previous seasons I recall few: cancer man/csm and amy acker, and of course Lucifer, war and pestilence . This season we have had 3 Buffy alum, a bsg reboot alum, angel/dollhouse alum, firefly/osg Atlantis alum, DB qualls, chronos, TVs alum …. am I missing any? There are so many I can’t help but wonder why?
Thanks to all for being fans and great thinkers.
Great article and discussion.
Hi Paula, I’m not sure if you saw this but they just released the episode 16 description
DOUBLE TROUBLE — After a ballerina is found dead from dancing herself to death, Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) look into the case and discover the ballet slippers she wore were cursed. When Dean accidentally touches the shoes the power of the curse starts to take hold of him. John Showalter directed the episode written by Robert Singer & Jenny Klein (#716).
Gabriel wouldn’t be farfetched as Dean benevolent guardian. He always did like Dean, and he seemed to identify with the family issues Dean faced. I would have said John or Mary, but they would have focused on both Sam and Dean. Anna is also a possibility, not to mention Ellen who reached out from the beyond in the Mentalist. It’s anyone guess, but I think God would be the most awesome so maybe Chuck will be back.
Thanks for the heads up Paula on the double SPN feature this week. I wish they showed Time After Time rather than Time for a Wedding Friday. Oh well, any SPN is better than none.
I just wonder what the purpose of a benevolent spirit helping Dean is in the first place?
Paula, you’re right. EK should be concentrating on the ordered pilot. BTW, I’m not a J.J. Abrams fan either. I watched the first season of Lost and decided it was going nowhere and dropped that show. From what I hear, that one didn’t work out any better than Swan Song worked for SPN. Personally, I find Abrams and Kripke together as a writing team already gives a possible new series two strikes against it.
Hmm. 7.16 will either set Dean’s revenge obsession off in full swing; which seems too early, or be another Dean’s life is in danger and this has a bad effect on Sam, which leads to his breakdown. If it’s the latter, I wonder who will show up to save Dean this time. I’m interested.
@Laurie
It doesn’t sound like that from the synopsis. I agree about the MOTWs, though. They’ve become increasingly perfunctory over the years. Sure, you want the MOTWs to reflect your main story to an extent, but not to the point where they have no separate reality from the two leads.
I’m not into Kripke coming back. His last two were “The Man Who Knew Too Much” and “Swan Song”, both of which suffered from extreme structural issues and Sam Gary-Stueing. And he didn’t even write the story for “Swan Song”. His heart really doesn’t seem to be in it, anymore, and it shows. Let him go off to other projects.
@Cassieo
I’m okay with Bobby leaving. I was shocked by the idea at first, but they dragged it out too long. Let the guy rest in peace.
Also, while I’m sure he’d never say it in public, Jim Beaver seems very happy to go off to new projects and be with his little girl more. It was just time.
I think that they have this huge, intriguing mystery that could open up into something new and interesting. Having the “presence” be Bobby is too incestuous, too “mundane”. It’s the most obvious candidate and I don’t think they should be that linear. I think they should go with something unexpected that brings in a new element.
Don’t count out 7.17, yet. This season has been pretty Deancentric, so far, and the few episodes that have seemed to be All About Sam have always had a significant Dean element in them. That’s probably why we’re hearing stuff about Castiel and Meg (who do not appear to be connected to Sam at all, at this point) for that episode.
And there is no way in Hell that Dean will be missing or reduced in the last five episodes. In case you’ve forgotten, Jared Padalecki’s first child is due in a few weeks. He won’t be dominating *any* TV production next month.
@castiel’scat
We did see light with Balthazar’s death, but we did not get the wings effect.
Raphael’s pretty dead, too. Ditto Gabriel. With the caveat that, if the writers could figure out how to bring back YED in a dream sequence and make Mary a recurring character for six-plus seasons, they can bring back almost anyone if they can get the actor back. So, dead characters where the actor might be available really are not off the table in that respect. After all, we’re already fairly sure this person is either dead or an angel.
I suppose it could be Death himself. Or one of his Reapers. We did see Tessa lift an iron chain to free Dean in 4.15. I don’t think it’s a demon, as the brothers demon-proof as often as they ghost-proof, which means, all the time.
While there do seem to be more pop references and stuntcasting this season, and less rock, I think it’s more a case of editing and emphasis. In early seasons, they emphasised the soundtrack more and didn’t rimshot the pop refs or casting as much. Keep in mind that Amy Acker guest starred in the show’s third episode, ever. So, they’ve been pillaging the stable of Joss Whedon actors since the beginning.
@crowley_gal
I hadn’t, but that is an interesting synopsis (and a lot more Deancentric than I’d expected). It sounds a lot like “The Red Shoes”, which is a legend/ballet about a woman who puts on cursed shoes and cannot stop dancing. But it’s also a movie about a ballerina who is caught between her love for the man who writes the title ballet and her love for ballet (as represented by the tyrannical head of her ballet troupe). Depending on how creative they get, we could see Dean revisit being torn between hunting and what semblance of a normal life he thinks he still can accomplish.
By the way, the end result of the story of the red shoes is insanity and death for the protagonist.
I can already see people talking about how Sam will heroically sacrifice his sanity to save Dean. I will say that that would be a first for this season, seeing as how Sam tends to be about five steps behind Dean on every hunt, bitterly complaining that Dean is unstable until the climax when Dean is proven right (Why, yes, I did just watch that rerun of “The Slice Girls”. Why do you ask?), then yelling at Dean afterward for almost getting himself killed. Um…no, Sam. Not exactly.
Also, if Sam can’t hold his marbles together long enough to back up his brother on a hunt, then he SHOULDN’T BE HUNTING. Seriously, Sam has been downright incompetent on half the hunts this season.
I find it curious that Sam keeps complaining that *Dean* is mentally unstable and not on his game, which strikes me as a whole lot of projection from Sam, who is not exactly playing with a full deck and makes rookie mistakes right and left. Is Dean unstable? Sure. But since when has Sam decided he’s season-one Dana Scully about signs of the supernatural? And since when has being unstable made Dean a poor hunter?
@Lily
Well, as I said before, the writers can make it anyone “dead” or MOTWish they can get back. So, the question perhaps should be – who’s currently available to guest star on the show? Jim Beaver isn’t. Neither is Jeffrey Dean Morgan. Probably not Jake Abel, either. Alona Tal? Eh, maybe. She did just sign up for that pilot. Maybe Samantha Smith or Sam Ferris.
@Ginger
Who says the spirit is benevolent? Or is a spirit? We know that Dean is convinced it’s Bobby’s ghost, but Sam doesn’t even believe anything weird is happening. Neither does Frank. Nobody else recurring is around to ask (maybe Jodi Mills, but again, she hasn’t seen any of these things and has interacted mostly with Sam). It could be a delusion of Dean’s. It could even be Dean subconsciously doing it.
I’m not convinced that whatever it is is benevolent. Aside from the fact that this is horror, what’s happening with Dean, where things happen around him and only he notices them, feels entirely too much like gaslighting to me. And gaslighting is never benevolent. Maybe someone is helping Dean. And then again, maybe someone is trying to isolate Dean completely while also driving him insane.
As for who saves Dean, maybe Dean saves himself. He’s often stuck doing that. It’s hard to say how that will resolve, since the only thing we really know about 7.17 and Dean is that two characters will return with obviously major ramifications for him. What those ramifications will be, though, is pretty unclear.
@Paula “As for who saves Dean, maybe Dean saves himself. He’s often stuck doing that.”
Dean did save himself when he was under the Jinn’s influence in season 2′s What is and What Should Never Be. So he is more than capable of taking care of himself. I think your comment about Sam concern for Dean is interesting. It seems the person who is having difficulty maintaining a hold on reality accuses others (Dean) of not being sane. So Sam is clearly bonkers.
As far as Dean’s guardian, I hope it’s not Jo, but Tessa would be great! She and Dean always had great chemistry.
Thanks for the spoilers, girls, even though they’re yet again not that thrilling to me-luckily none of them this season have really inspired that much excitment in me, but the episodes themselves have, for the most part, made up for that lack-again, for me. One thing has been bothering me consistently, though:
“Also, if Sam can’t hold his marbles together long enough to back up his brother on a hunt, then he SHOULDN’T BE HUNTING. Seriously, Sam has been downright incompetent on half the hunts this season.
I find it curious that Sam keeps complaining that *Dean* is mentally unstable and not on his game, which strikes me as a whole lot of projection from Sam, who is not exactly playing with a full deck and makes rookie mistakes right and left. Is Dean unstable? Sure. But since when has Sam decided he’s season-one Dana Scully about signs of the supernatural? And since when has being unstable made Dean a poor hunter?”
I wish I knew what these writers were going for with this. I re-watched The Slice Girls last night also and realized that up until this one all I was thinking as regards Sam for most of this season was that, as usual since mid S5(IMO), they were aiming for SuperHunterSam AND BiggestWoobifiedVictimEverSam, both at the same time-but then we got that car scene at the end of TSG, where Dean basically called Sam out on what you stated here. So what gives with that?
I really hope that if Dean needs saving in 7.16, he’ll be allowed to save himself, and that it won’t be SuperSam who does it, especially when his epic and apparently on-going since who knows when hellucinations are going to be so overwhelming in the very next episode that he will be rendered completely incapacitated, both meantally and physically.
Sheesh. Every aspect of this storyline, from it’s genesis, has been written in such a lame fashion, IMO-the worst part being that so many other characters and their storylines have had to be undercut in order to service it. I truly just wish that it would go as far away as possible, and to be perfectly honest, at this point, I don’t care how they’d do it.
See you next week. And thanks again to both of you.
It looks like Jared won’t be missing much time. According to this article he’ll be missing a total of 3 days.
http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2012/02/supernaturals-jared-padalecki-wont-miss-any-episodes-for-family-leave-and-sam-wont-turn-into-a-goat.html
It doesn’t even sound like we’ll have any Sam light episodes because they’re filming stuff he’s not in, like teasers for other episodes.
I have to LOL! at “If the baby comees when its supposed to…” type statements. It’s been a while since I had mine, but I think a due date is still pretty much guess work, with two weeks leeway either way, commonplace-and a first baby often and not unusually coming later-this, if the parents choose to let the baby come au naturale. If that’s the way that JP and his wife are going, it would be hard to count on his being available for filmimg, unequivocally, for most of the month of March, I’d say. Maybe guesstimating this type of thing has gotten more precise with time, but I can remember my own mom telling me about this, so…
@Lily
I’m getting to the point where I’m wondering if it’s Opposites Day with Sam all the time–whenever he claims to be a great hunter or perfectly sane (and Dean is off his game and loony), the opposite is the case.
Though I’m of two minds about the sanity thing, as Dean is clearly not wrapped very tight, either. But he is still far more observant than Sam. I have to say that I’m a bit relieved that Bobby is gone, considering the show had turned him into a completely deluded cheerleader for Sam, no matter how screwed up Sam was by demon blood, having no soul, having no wall, or whatever. It made Bobby look like a moron. It’s interesting to see how Sam looks when he goes off like that now, and there’s no one there to back him up – or, even worse, he wants to act as if Bobby never existed.
Sam hasn’t been there reliably for Dean since season three, when he started sneaking out with a demon and bailing on Dean (How I wish they had never introduced Ruby). As such, whenever Sam actually manages to save Dean, it’s more of a fluke than any sign of Sam being awesome.
As for why Dean hasn’t “noticed” that Sam is losing his marbles, we’ve already seen that Dean is fully aware of how screwed up Sam is. It’s just that he seems to have stopped caring.
@Arafel
Yeah, interesting how they finally had Dean call Sam out on his crap. *That* would never have happened under Kripke.
My main problem with Sam’s hellpain is that it’s a classic “She turned me into a newt!” storyline. He’s perfectly competent, even SuperHunter…except when they need to pull out the angst stops. Then he’s incapacitated and we’re supposed to perceive him as this sad victim that others are mean to. And, for further angst, he’s been fighting it all along. O the humanity! It is completely unrealistic. In fact, it may be the least realistic permutation of Sam Done Come Back Wrong, yet.
Not to mention, Sam can’t go hardly any time at all on his own without being kidnapped (or snookered) by the MOTW, or being drugged up and getting married. Then needing to be rescued by Dean, who is actually paying attention to his surroundings and still knows how to hunt without an “expert” feeding him information.
The showrunners keep saying this storyline is “permanent” because it wouldn’t be “realistic” to wrap it up after all the build-up. I don’t see how stretching out an inherently unrealistic storyline makes it realistic, but that’s just me. Consequences? There are none. Plot complications? Ignored.
And so much yes about the baby, especially first babies. Due dates are *always* approximate, even when the birth goes off completely without a hitch. And most first births take an unusually long time (as in, a day of labour, at least), with lots of false alarms beforehand. They are also terribly exhausting and it’s not as though going without medication means the birth is pain-free or a cakewalk.
Not that I am wishing any complications on GC, but the very last thing a new mom wants (or needs) to hear is: “Hey, honey. If you can have the baby on the due date, I can get almost a week off. Otherwise, it could be awkward.” No pressure, there!
So, I’m pretty sure that what Padalecki is telling the public and what he’s been telling his wife/working out with the producers are two very different stories.
@crowley_gal
The article seems contradictory. On the one hand, Padalecki is talking about getting three days off (The article is inaccurate, by the way. If you track the producers’ and directors’ comments about filming, they’ve been scheduling Padalecki and Ackles’ scenes so that they do them in fewer days all season. There was one episode last fall where Padalecki only had to work two days). On the other, he’s talking about their filming teasers and other scenes that he’s not in a few episodes ahead. If he’s only taking three days off for one week, why is that even necessary? It doesn’t add up.
Hopefully we’ll get a clearer picture of where the season is going after the convention this weekend.
@crowley_gal
Usually, something slips out. Who knows? We may even get some lowdown on season eight–whether they’ve heard they’re renewed or when they’ll hear.