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The U.S. remake of Being Human returns with a second season on January 16 (next Monday). SyFy has been putting out previews of it for about a month now. We will start reviewing it again when it comes back off its interseason hiatus. Also, Grimm returns on January 13 (For some reason, NBC aired a repeat on the 6th, instead).
This week, we have spoilers for Once Upon a Time and Supernatural:
Once Upon a Time (Sunday nights, 8pm, ABC)
By Heather S. Vina
ABC has put out the press release for “Fruit of the Poisonous Tree”, the episode to air on January 29:
“SIDNEY ASKS EMMA TO HELP HIM EXPOSE THE CORRUPTION THAT MAYOR REGINA HAS UNLEASHED ON STORYBROOKE, AND KING LEOPOLD MUST BE CAREFUL WHAT HE WISHES FOR WHEN HE IS GRANTED THREE WISHES BY A GENIE, ON ABC’S ONCE UPON A TIME
“Richard Schiff (The West Wing) Guest Stars as King Leopold. ‘Fruit of the Poisonous Tree’ – A dejected Sidney enlists the aid of Emma to help uncover evidence that could expose Mayor Regina as the corrupt person she really is to the townspeople of Storybrooke; and Mary Margaret and David continue their secret rendezvous while trying to figure out a way to unleash their unrequited love. Meanwhile, back in the fairytale land that was, King Leopold (Richard Schiff), who is the father of Snow White and married to the Evil Queen, stumbles upon a magic lamp and is granted three wishes by a Genie – who warns the king to be careful what he wishes for – on Once Upon a Time, SUNDAY, JANUARY 29 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.
“Once Upon a Time stars Ginnifer Goodwin as Snow White/Mary Margaret, Jennifer Morrison as Emma Swan, Robert Carlyle as Rumpelstiltskin/Mr. Gold, Lana Parrilla as Evil Queen/Regina, Jared Gilmore as Henry Mills, Josh Dallas as Prince Charming/David and Raphael Sbarge as Jiminy Cricket/Archie Hopper.
“Guest starring are Tony Perez as Valet, Giancarlo Esposito as Sidney/Magic Mirror, Eion Bailey as Stranger, Richard Schiff as King Leopold and David Bloom as Mr. K.
“‘Fruit of the Poisonous Tree’ was written by Ian Goldberg & Andrew Chambliss, and directed by Bryan Spicer.”
I’m sorry, but this line – “Mary Margaret and David continue their secret rendezvous while trying to figure out a way to unleash their unrequited love” – makes zero sense. “Unleash their unrequited love?” Really?
And hmmm, Sidney is turning against Regina, hmmm? I hope it’s for real and he ends up on Emma’s side.
TVGuide has up an interview with Tim Horowitz and Adam Kitsis, promoting people watching the show.
SpoilerTV already has the sneak peeks up for this week’s episode, “True North”. And here’s the promo for it up on YouTube.
SpoilerTV also has some new promotional shots of the cast.
EW has an interview up with Lana Parrilla (Regina/Evil Queen), where she attempts to defend her character’s actions, feelings and relationships. Frankly, I found the interview a little disturbing.
Now, I know that actors need to find things about the character that they play that are sympathetic, things that they can try and empathise with, but I find it deeply disturbing that Ms. Parilla is seriously trying to present it as if Regina cared for Graham, even as she was raping him and then murdering him. I mean, really? I find it even more disturbing that this is coming from a woman, considering the history of men beating, raping, and murdering their wives and girlfriends, and claiming that it was out of “love”, or that they really loved the person that they just destroyed. That’s not love; that’s possession and obsession. For someone to seriously say that someone “loves” someone that they have been raping – mentally, emotionally, and physically – is pretty…well, twisted to me. I know female-on-male rape is still considered impossible to some people (Just read a few of the comments to the interview), but it does exist and it happened on this show. To try to whitewash it is irresponsible and disappointing.
Ratings are in for Sunday’s episode and they’ve gone up a nice amount. The show got a 3.7/8 in the all-important demos, and 10.35 million viewers. The last new episode was on December 11, and it received a 2.9/7 in the demos and 8.92 million viewers. Not a bad increase, at all! Unfortunately, next week, they are up against the Golden Globes, so fingers crossed that doesn’t dent their ratings too badly!
Supernatural (Friday nights, 9pm, CW)
By Paula R. Stiles
After a slow start for the year, last week, this week bulled out of the gate with interviews and clips and official photos, even. Golly. An embarrassment of riches that was both rich and…sometimes…embarrassing.
First, let’s wrap up the previews and interviews for last week’s “Adventures in Babysitting”. There was an audio interview with writer Adam Glass (who said Lee and Krissy would likely be back. Ya don’t say), another clip (This time of Sam and Dean arguing over whether to put out the word that Bobby’s dead), and a preview (put out belatedly) with commentary by producer Robert Singer.
Sera Gamble gave two interviews this week. They revealed some stuff that was, frankly, boring and teased other stuff without actually promising it. First of all, she confirmed sightings from last week that Mark Pellegrino is on set, reprising his role of Fauxifer for 7.15. It appears that Sam will also be hallucinating clowns, because the writers continue not to do enough research on PTSD to understand that it’s not like taking acid while watching Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. I guess they have to bring back the hellpain, seeing as how they insisted early in the season that it was permanent. But I sure hope they won’t be devoting massive chunks of episodes to said hellpain, the way they did with the first two episodes of this season, because, dear Lord, that was dull.
The other thing she said, which people completely misinterpreted, was that Bobby would be back. Actually, she never said that. What both she and Robert Singer confirmed was that Bobby was, indeed, dead as a doornail and that they hoped to get him back for flashbacks and, like, other stuff. Vague other stuff. In the indefinite future. Remember when we were going to see Kali and the Alpha Vampire again, real soon? And we didn’t? Like that.
If there are two things I think this season has really suffered from, they would be pacing and annoying characterisation (Yes, I am thinking of the character assassination they did on
Becky, and the not-so-hot writing for Garth and Krissy, as well as the two witches), as well as some really unambitious MOTWs (Osiris and those Vetalas were lame). Both the Amy and Bobby death plots were draaaaaaagged out for-freakin’-ever and for maximum, totally unearned angst. I cared about Bobby’s fate at the end of “How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters”. I no longer care if he comes back and, in fact, would be pretty annoyed if he did, after this huge, Las Vegas floorshow they made of it. You can only yank my chain so many times, show. Here’s my birthday wish – knock it off.
Late edit: Now, Robert Singer is insisting that Bobby will be back. In an interview from the PCA Awards, he says Bobby will be back in some form or another (well…he actually said Jim Beaver would, not necessarily Bobby). That’s it. I’m done caring about this character in any way, shape, or form. That was just one chain-yank too far, show. Good job ruining yet another character for me.
Though if he came back as a Big Bad Leviathan, that might at least be interesting.
The horrific rumour about unicorns being in 7.15, as well (Betcha they’re a Dean nightmare) from last week was also confirmed. Curiously, she contradicted Adam Glass, who claimed that the coda in “Adventures in Babysitting” was intended to show Dean as hopeful, which startled a great many fans who were pretty sure it was a clear sign that Dean was really cracking up. Gamble seemed to agree with the fan interpretation, but I have to wonder why these folks don’t compare notes and synchronise their stories, right before doing a flurry of interviews. Gamble even contradicted herself a bit over Bobby’s fate. In one interview, he was a doornail; in another, he was definitely, maybe, probably coming back at some point. Honest.
Also, the ongoing rational for killing off these old-and-established characters is pretty lame, especially when new ones immediately replace them in exactly the same roles and the basic framework of the brothers calling up some Exposition Fairy, instead of doing research, remains intact. This suspicious old ghost continues to wonder if it’s a way for the new showrunner to “replace” her predecessor’s recurring cast and put her own stamp on things, but it also needlessly alienates fans. And the way it’s been pursued has been clumsy and off-putting.
In other news, Gamble continues to hedge about when Misha Collins is returning, even though it was confirmed weeks ago that he’s supposed to come back in 7.17. Cassie from “Route 666″ is not, no matter what some obsessed IMDB fan put up on the cast list.
Two new characters are being cast. We’ve got Nora Havelock, who sounds like a Missouri/Pamela clone (Why didn’t we just keep them, again?), and George, a guy who’s an assistant to Joyce. Is this the guy who is more than he seems from a few weeks back? Who knows, at this point? Both Frank and Garth will be back, too. For our sins.
Now to the fun stuff (I say that without an ounce of sarcasm): the promotional material for this week’s “Time After Time After Time”. We’ve got three promos (yes, three, one of them Canadian), as well as a general promo for the first half of the season from Space, and a set of official photos. The 30-second one is really quite cool in a 40s style (and gives away some of the MOTW’s modus operandi, though there could be more than one MOTW). The photos came out piecemeal, but I’m pretty sure this is all of them here, with some HQ versions here. Now, I generally try to keep the fangirly stuff to a minimum, but, sweet Lord, Jensen Ackles, you need to do some retro-neo-noir. Please. If only for the wardrobe. I didn’t think it was possible, but I think that man might actually look even hotter in a trenchcoat than in a western duster.
[crawls out of the gutter and dusts self off] Ahem.So, the gist is that Dean is stuck back in 1944 by Chronos, the God of Time (whom Sam must apparently deal with in the present day). There, he’s arrested by, and then teams up with, Eliot Ness to fight the same MOTW (probably Chronos). Which involves his changing into detective gear. And handling a tommygun. Kewl. Apparently, he and Sam are running around Chicago in different time periods, but hunting the same MOTW.
Late edit: Two new clips are also now out for 7.12, as well as a very extended version of the clock promo. Not to jinx anything, but this episode looks pretty awesome and the colour noir ambiance is fabulous.
Another late edit: The press release is up for 7.13:
“DEAN’S ONE NIGHT STAND HAS SERIOUS COMPLICATIONS; THE VAMPIRE DIARIES SARA CANNING GUEST STARS – Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) investigate a case where the victims’ hands and feet have been severed and each have been branded with a strange symbol. While Sam does some research at a local university, Dean heads to one of his favorite places to investigate – the town bar. Dean strikes up a conversation with a local named Lydia (guest star Sara Canning, The Vampire Diaries), and the two go back to her place. Sam discovers the symbol on the bodies is a sign of Amazon warriors. Jerry Wanek directed the episode written by Eugenie Ross-Leming & Brad Buckner (#713).”
Ausiello non-spoilered that the Impala will be back this season and Chuck won’t. Shocking.
There’s a small, behind-the-scenes photo (I guess it’s for 7.15) of a library.
7.16′s title has been changed from “Another Man’s Treasure” to “Out with the Old”. It’s written by Robert Singer and Jenny Klein, and directed by John Showalter. George will be in this episode and it seems Joyce won’t be recurring. Just call her “Doomed Episode Girl”.
This week (Friday the 13th) will be the last new episode until February 3rd, when we will see 7.13, the one where the brothers encounter Amazons and Dean gets laid. We’ll have repeats for those two weeks, starting with “The Girl Next Door”.
The People’s Choice Awards are tonight. We’ll find out then if the show won anything.
Late edit: Congratulations to the show! Supernatural won both the Favorite Drama and Favorite Sci-Fi Show Awards, the two it was nominated for. Love the goofy, “I can’t believe this is happening” look on Jensen Ackles’ face.
Finally, ratings for the show were up and healthy, with a 0.8/2 and 1.82 million. This was in comparison to Nikita‘s 0.6/2 and The Secret Circle‘s 0.8/2 on a better night in Supernatural‘s old time slot.
We’ll be back next week with more spoilers. Stay tuned and check out our reviews of Game of Thrones, Doctor Who, Torchwood, The Event, Once Upon a Time, and Supernatural.







Thanks for this round-up, Paula. I can’t bring myself to listen to another SG interview, so thanks for suffering through those for me.
The most important point you bring out is SG killing off EK’s characters so that her stamp will be on the show. Speculation, but I agree with that. By getting rid of all people like Rufus and Bobby, the complexion of the show changes from the back roads to a more up-to-date world (as seen with the Levi being corporate baddies and political hacks). Since SG has no experience and hasn’t been very successful in playing in that sandbox, I think we’ll see a world SG is more familiar with.
I hope Bobby stays dead. I liked Jim Beaver, and he seems like a super guy, but don’t jerk my chain, please. Keeping Bobby dead may actually give some credibility to death on the show. I wouldn’t mind a flashback or two, and I for sure will follow Jim over to Justified.
Krissy and Garth return — shoot me now. I put them both in your your annoying characterization category. I’m sure these two will end up being the great heroes again. I would have been excited if Lee Chambers (Ian Tracey) had dropped the kid at a juvenile detention center or a grooming school and returned in a role with more substance than sitting in a chair and having five or six lines. Garth is too stupid to be a living hunter and Krissy was too stupid and annoying to be a big damned 14-year-old hunter that saved three experienced hunters — two of whom are supposed to be the best hunters on the planet. I hate that kind of “fun” (so not!) s***.
Pacing means setting up a story and telling it. Yeah, I agree with you on that.
Lastly, a return to Sam’s hellpain. All I can say is that it won’t satisfy the moaning Sam fans.
I haven’t heard anything about George, and I don’t know who Joyce is supposed to be and that’s okay, because if they are anything like the new characters that have been introduced since SG took over, I won’t be investing any time in their stories. As I said, Frank was better in last week’s episode, but I really have no interest in him and hope his scenes are kept to a minimum. From what I have heard, though, Dean will be going to him “a lot.” If that was true, then he is just a Bobby replacement.
And as far as Misha’s return — I’d rather see the alpha vamp. Haven’t missed Cas at all and I hope his return isn’t permanent.
Oh, one last point — can’t let this one go by. My God, Jensen in 40s gear! I’m no swooner and the cowboy outfit didn’t move me, but I actually think I’m envying Daneel now. Please, JA, I’ll buy an advance ticket right behind Paula if you’ll do the retro-neo-noir.
WOW! “Supernatural” won Favorite Network TV Drama and Favorite Sci-fi/ Fantasy Show. Thank you for the update Paula as well as the video clip! I was happy to see SPN win. I was not watching so do you know who they were competing against? I just wish JA would get nominated as well.
The spoilers sound interesting, but I’m especially looking forward to this Friday’s episode. JA was just smoldering hot in his 1940′s gear!
As far SG, she has a bad habit of doing a bait and switch so I guess we have to wait and see. Thanks again!
Thanks, guys! Please note all the late edits.
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They’re bringing Jim Beaver back as a Leviathan for maximum angst. I’m calling it now. If they try to do a lame reenactment of John’s spirit at the end of season two with Bobby, I’ll be annoyed. That was cheesy the first time round, but it worked on an emotional level. It won’t work twice.
@Lily
Yeah, that was pretty awesome! I also kind of wish they’d just stuck to the PCAs and promoting 7.12 this week, and left the lame stuff from later for another week. The competition for Drama was: The Good Wife, Grey’s Anatomy, House, and The Vampire Diaries. For Sci-Fi, it was: Fringe, True Blood, The Vampire Diaries, The Walking Dead. So, not exactly low-level competition.
Maybe Ackles will get nominated next year. It’s rare, but a very few cult shows do gain mainstream attention after their fifth season. SPN seems to be one of those shows.
@Ginger
I have to admit that I’m not ecstatic about the change from the backroads to the backrooms, either. The backroads approach was hardly new to horror, but it was new to TV horror series and very gritty. This corporate evil crap isn’t new and isn’t scary. Not helping is that it’s such a shallow and cliched approach. Corporate Suits Are Evil. Ya don’t say.
I think the main dissatisfaction among some in the fandom with this whole idea of Dean getting a 13-episode arc and then our returning to Sam’s hellpain is the same old problem that Dean’s plots don’t get resolution. Last Friday was not a resolution, regardless of what the writer thought Dean was feeling or showing. Sambot getting his soul shoved back into his body was a resolution. I haven’t loved most of Sam’s storylines, but they do have the advantage of usually getting advancement, if not total closure. In contrast, if I never hear the words “soul searching” in connection with Dean Winchester ever again, it will be too soon.
I think people are simply irritated because the writers never take Dean anywhere, just have him spin his wheels and end up deeper in the mud. And resolution of his latest soul search is yet another “Princess” speech that makes whoever’s delivering it look like an enormous, braying jackass. If that 13-episode arc took the character somewhere, there might be more patience with going back to such a tedious loser of a storyline as Sam’s hellpain.
I agree with you about Regina. I was just telling a friend of mine that having her get teary eyed or cry after she does something completely horrible doesn’t make her a sympathetic character at all. Her motives are still evil and self serving, and unless she is seriously twisted even in her own mind (which she most likely is) and believes she’s doing the right thing I never believe she feels sorry for anything she does.
As for SNP, lord I don’t know what is going on there. I’m excited for Friday because yeah…Jensen in a fedora but I hope Chronos isn’t just some bitchy God looking for a little kid to eat. I don’t know why they love to make all these deities either evil or unconcerned. I mean if all they wanna do is eat people or whatever what makes them different from the MOTWs or demons?
I agree that having all of these new people just slip right into the roles of those who have “died” is kinda stupid and makes the deaths just obvious angst fodder. I am SO tired of all the angst. Also the guys aren’t alone against the world even with Bobby dead if they have Frank now doing that sort of leg work and with high tech equipment mind you.
I’ll be even more ticked off however if they are bringing Castiel back just to screw him over in an even bigger way. I feel like they’ve been giving Cas fans the finger since season 6 and it’s so annoying. Not to mention no matter what happens in the last 3 episodes if they felt like it in season 8 they would just bring him back again turning the whole thing into some sort of cycle. They say his return is bringing closure but this show doesn’t know what that is anymore I don’t think.
I’m also not looking forward to the Hellpain stuff because I could see that taking the place of ‘crazy Dean’ or Dean suddenly being okay because now he has to make sure Sam doesn’t accidentally hurt himself.
Thanks for the round up Paula,
I’m not sure if you saw this
http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2012/01/supernatural-scoop-details-of-castiels-return-and-bobbys-resurrection.html
Whoa! More soul searching for Dean. Who would have guessed that.
I’m waiting to see if the show is going to to actually explain why someone would let a guy that’s hallucinating has access to loaded firearms.
@shamangrrl
I did see your comment. You just caught me when I was too busy to respond and I think I’ve already covered everything you said.
@Crowley_Gal
That’s a wrap-up of the Robert Singer interview, which you should find in one of the “Late edit” links from yesterday.
I did see the Jim Beaver interview, but I have a policy of not updating a spoilers column beyond the day it goes up. Otherwise, I’d get totally confused as to what I did or did not discuss the previous week. Y’all are welcome to discuss any new spoilers in the comments section, though, when they come out. Obviously, the PCA Awards and extra promo for tomorrow’s episode have shaken the Spoiler Discussion Tree pretty hard this week.
@Ginger
I don’t know that that was Sambot we saw, so much as Sam starting to model Bobby. Bobby wasn’t a very nice person, when all was said and done. I’m wondering if the show’s final game plan for the brothers is for Sam and Dean to become the younger generation equivalents of Bobby and Rufus. Personality-wise, they are suited, though Dean has an added element of Gordon that makes him highly unpredictable.
I would really prefer that the writers start getting more into how the brothers interact with the rest of the Hunter community in a more positive way. The Roy and Walt thing was dirt-dumb. This is a supermacho community so, by all rights, the brothers’ reputation really ought to be sky-high, yet we’re constantly hearing about how they’re the scum of Hunting, which makes no sense. Supermacho communities value cowboy behaviour and recklessness. I mean, look at how they all get into the job.
@hannah
Singer speculation? Okay, well, first, let me say that I’ve noticed some things about the way the show handles storylines. We know for a fact that they lay out the beginning and end of the season because they’ve talked about that nearly every season. The only time they were thrown off that pattern was season three, due to the Writers Strike. Second, aside from the season plot (which really doesn’t get *that* many episodes in a season), there are usually plots for each brother that recur over the season and then more-minor plots that are prominent for about six episodes at a time. Not everything goes that way, but I do think that the writers try to lay things out in that fashion, so as to control the pace of the story.
The season plots are usually obvious (though, not so much in season six, which was essentially overwhelmed in minor plots). This season, we’ve got the Leviathans. They will probably go over at least into season eight. They are angel-sized villains. It would make no sense to try to shoehorn them into a single season, especially when the show has a good chance of lasting into a tenth season.
Less clear are the seasonal character plots. Sam’s got his hellpain. That’s his journey for the season. However, due to the pacing of that journey (and, as an external reason for that pacing, the fact that Padalecki is due to be a daddy right about when the last two episodes will be filmed), I’d be unsurprised if that journey was effectively resolved by around 7.18, a la Dean’s angel plot in 5.18. Incidentally, Padalecki appeared alone at the Television Critics Panel on men in the CW because Ackles had to work on set and some are saying Ackles couldn’t have made it to last night’s PCA Awards, either. Since the show has grown adept at juggling the schedules for both actors, and these events did not come out of the blue, that should tell you something of Ackles’ (and, therefore, Dean’s) involvement in 7.15, which they are currently filming, in comparison to Padalecki’s. And Padalecki’s hellpain is supposed to return in 7.15.
Dean’s storyline is much less clear this season (which, I want to point out, is very similar to the pattern for Sam’s storylines when they were tied directly to the uberplot). Not only is it not resolved, it’s not even close. What we do know is that Dean’s personal storyline is tied very directly to the Leviathan plot, in comparison to Sam’s personal storyline, which has been categorically separated out as a personal arc unrelated to the Leviathans. Also, if Castiel (or a Castiel lookalike) is returning for at least three episodes, and Dean is faced with a moral dilemma over how to deal with it, that practically trumpets, “UBERPLOT-RELATED.” Since Dean’s current breakdown was set off by Castiel’s betrayal, I’d say Dean’s storyline isn’t going anywhere. In fact, it could be just gearing up as Sam’s is winding down. I could be wrong, but I’m just trying to read it as it goes.
Just to point out–Adam Glass said in his interview that Kripke was in the writers’ room all last season and Kripke wrote the season six finale. While it’s possible that Gamble will follow in Kripke’s footsteps, we don’t know for a fact that she will because this is the first season she’s done without Kripke watching over her shoulder and it’s been largely Deancentric.
@Arafel
Thanks! Yes, gunporn is very nice. Swordporn would be better, but this isn’t Highlander, so….
@Lily and elena
Getting back to the storylines, the tertiary stories (about six episodes each) are what move along the main plots. Tertiary plots might include Dean’s suspicion of Sam in the first six episodes of season six, What to Do About Sambot in the next six episodes, the Amy Drama this season (7.03-7.08), and we’re currently in the middle of Bobby’s Death (three down, three to go). Some other plots seem to go in batches of two for around six episodes, like the Campbells (6.01, 6.02, 6.07, 6.10, 6.13, 6.16) last season, or perhaps Sam’s hellpain this season (so far, 7.01 and 7.02).
The empty bottle is obviously something important, considering all the hedging from the showrunners. Their dismissing of the other time glitches in the episode could mean those glitches were clumsy writing or that it adds clues to the bottle incident that the showrunners don’t yet want to confirm. Since this week is a time-travel episode, we could well know a lot more after this week. At the very least, we’ll find out whether or not Chronos was behind it.
The empty bottle incident is the kind of mystery that does not appear to last longer than a few episodes (perhaps because the writers have a short attention span and assume we do, too). It’s definitely Dean-related and, the way Sam dismissed it as part of Dean’s drinking, does not appear to be especially Sam-related. That’s strike one against the “drinker” being Bobby.
If it were Bobby, it would have involved both of them. Jim Beaver is suitably (and characteristically) cagey about Bobby’s fate aside from the obvious (He’s dead), but his schedule backs up his claim that he is not likely to be back any time soon (not to mention that Samantha Ferris mentioned a similar goodbye video to Beaver’s and neither she nor Alona Tal came back that season). He has been tweeting about being in Japan, back home in California sick, and working on “Justified” since he filmed 7.10. It is therefore very unlikely he will be in anything before 7.16 (probably longer, since I believe he’s committed to filming “Justified” for a while) and I can’t see the resolution of the bottle mystery involving Bobby and not showing him when they could have coordinated an appearance with Jim Beaver (unlike Jeffrey Dean Morgan, who was written out in large part due to his lack of availability). Strike two against it being Bobby.
Then there is the time element. As I said before, we will likely find out what was going on with the bottle sooner than later. And the Bobby’s Death plot has perhaps three episodes left, which means it would end around 7.14. With Beaver unlikely to return to the show by then (or, possibly, ever) and Collins due back in 7.17 (which means we will likely get a tertiary plot of six episodes of foreshadowing for his reappearance, starting last week or this week), it makes little story sense to have the bottle drinking come from Bobby.
That is, of course, on top of all the in-show continuity reasons why a ghost should not be able to get into Rufus’ house, but an angel or Leviathan could. My current bet is either on Chronos or Castiel (in some form), not Bobby. Or, hey, maybe Dean really is losing it.
Yay for the double win for our guys and the crew, but I am so ticked off that the 2Js WERE NOT INVITED to the awards ceremony (twitters from Clif and Jim Michaels) and the Favorite TV Drama winner wasn’t even mentioned. Quite the snub there, but SPN won and the 2Js know the fans appreciate their talent and work. I actually sort of watched the whole boring, lame awards show just to see the guys recognized — never again.
@ Paula: SG isn’t anything, if not predictable. I fully expect Dean’s arc to be over (dropped) and for either Bobby or Cas to come back as the biggest boss Levi with Sam having to kill him. I keep remembering Dean’s speech in The Mentalist that sometimes you can’t do the wet work and family has to step in to finish the job. SG’s Sam girling won’t mysteriously disappear like a Dean plot line, so that would be the perfect set-up for Sam to be the BDH again.
Couldn’t agree with you more about Dean and soul-searching. Whether intended or not, it’s a subtle method used to flip Sam and Dean’s characteristics, make Dean a wuss and elevate Sam as big and bad. Did you notice, for instance, how Sam flipped from quiet, grief-stricken, unsure moping about Bobby into Soulless Sam when he he stepped up to save Lee by baiting the MotW that I can’t remember the name of? I liked the scene, but it was Dean that used to taunt the monsters for distraction or when he was scared. This time, Dean stood frozen in the face of danger — absolutely frozen — so the tough adolescent girl child could be the hero and Sam could save Dean.
Although I’m really excited about the next episode (and maybe Dean finally getting some action in 7.13), the rest of these spoilers just aren’t doing it for me. Dean bent on revenge might be interesting, although it bugs me that he didn’t get a fire under his tush until Bobby died. I respect Bobby for being there for the brothers and I can understand their grief. But the way this season’s turned into one long fawning love letter to the character, you’d think Bobby was more important than John and Mary put together. Enough is enough.
We were expecting to see the Sam hallucinations again so that’s no surprise. I just hope Sam’s issue won’t spill over and take over the finale, although with Sera writing it this year, they just might. I guess I can sleep through those scenes. Heck, I did it last season during Sam’s split personality snoozefest.
The Singer spoiler about Cas bummed me out the most. It sounds like they’re writing him out again, just in a more “satisfactory” way. Paula, do you have any speculation about what Singer said?
“If there are two things I think this season has really suffered from, they would be pacing and annoying characterisation (Yes, I am thinking of the character assassination they did on
Becky, and the not-so-hot writing for Garth and Krissy, as well as the two witches), as well as some really unambitious MOTWs (Osiris and those Vetalas were lame). Both the Amy and Bobby death plots were draaaaaaagged out for-freakin’-ever and for maximum, totally unearned angst. I cared about Bobby’s fate at the end of “How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters”. I no longer care if he comes back and, in fact, would be pretty annoyed if he did, after this huge, Las Vegas floorshow they made of it. You can only yank my chain so many times, show.”
Well, maybe they’ll just bring him back in flashbacks. This would be the best way for them to salvage this particular one of the many messes they’ve created in the last two plus seasons, IMO.
“Curiously, she contradicted Adam Glass, who claimed that the coda in “Adventures in Babysitting” was intended to show Dean as hopeful, which startled a great many fans who were pretty sure it was a clear sign that Dean was really cracking up. Gamble seemed to agree with the fan interpretation, but I have to wonder why these folks don’t compare notes and synchronise their stories, right before doing a flurry of interviews. Gamble even contradicted herself a bit over Bobby’s fate. In one interview, he was a doornail; in another, he was definitely, maybe, probably coming back at some point. Honest.”
Heh. Yeah, I couldn’t agree more as regards all of this, especially that they most certainly should get their stories straight before they give interviews-pathetic. She did say that Dean would be pursuing revenge, which if it gives him his action and badassity persona back and increases his kill count, is fine with me; but I want that back full-throttle for Dean in the second half. I’m trying to keep my wishes for the character very simple, basic, and uncomplicated because that way they’ll have more chance of being fulfilled by this current showrunner and crop of writers. BADASS!Dean who’s lost all hope and only wants to make the baddies pay works just as well as the stone-cold professional HunterDean I thought they were going to be going for from this last episode-both would be incredible. What I don’t want for the character is strictly and only hand-wringing over any other character and they can take that “soul-searching” crap and shove it, unless while he’s doing his “soul-searching”, he’s getting a lot of kills, too. And they better give him a more active part in the finale this season.
“Also, the ongoing rational for killing off these old-and-established characters is pretty lame, especially when new ones immediately replace them in exactly the same roles and the basic framework of the brothers calling up some Exposition Fairy, instead of doing research, remains intact. This suspicious old ghost continues to wonder if it’s a way for the new showrunner to “replace” her predecessor’s recurring cast and put her own stamp on things, but it also needlessly alienates fans. And the way it’s been pursued has been clumsy and off-putting.”
Again, I couldn’t agree more especially about the clumsy and off-putting way it’s been done. And most of the new characters have done little for me-and definitely much less than Castiel, or even Rufus Turner did.
This has become one of my two favorite places to collect spoilers from. You all keep things so up-to-date here. Thanks again, and awesome job!
Oops, forgot to mention that the promos for this week have made me feel like I’ve died and gone to Heaven. Dean and the weapons porn and the action-feel and Eliot Ness and ITA-that long promo makes it look like it’s been beatuifully shot…*tingling in anticipation of this one*…
Thanks for the list above Paula! Looks like Bobby is really dead and gone according to TVguide interviw he gave. So who or what drank the beer? Hmmm
Thanks for the spoiler recap, Heather and Paula!
@Lily- I just saw that article and you’re right that it seems Bobby’s pretty much gone. And although JB might make an appearance or two, that wouldn’t fit the mystery of the beer. I’d read spec that maybe it’s Cas and maybe he whammied Dean into sleeping 36 hours straight.
@elena
Cass would work. I guess we will have to see where this goes. The article does say Bobby is definitely dead. So I would assume Dean and Sam gave him a hunter’s burial.I found it interesting one of the executives told Beaver “In fact, one of the execs said, “If you weren’t on The CW, you’d win an Emmy.” While true,unfortunately, I would think the executives didn’t appreciate the comment being made public since the show is carried on the CW network.
@ Paula: I’ve really wanted the hunter community expanded and had hoped that’s what they were doing when Rufus and Roy and Walt showed back up last year. But if the caliber of the hunter characters that the show is going to dream up is Garth, who is inept and dumber than Roy and Walt; Frank, who is manic, and baby hunter Krissy, then I’d just as soon they don’t. I can’t say much about Lee, because he didn’t have much of a role, but if he’s going to have Krissy tied to his apron strings like Ellen had Jo, I’m not interested in him, either.
Basically, in my mind, what we’ve seen in these recurring characters is an Ash replacement in Garth, the comedy relief; Frank, the Bobby replacement; Krissy, the Jo replacement; and Lee, the Ellen replacement, and none of these are as good as the original characters.
That said, if the show continues with their fan-fiction creativity, there should be a recurring girl hunter that one of the brothers hooks up with (probably Dean) in the near future.
Yeah, I’ve thought the brothers should be building a legendary reputation within the hunting community by this time, but neither Frank nor Lee had even heard of them, despite Rufus being fully aware of Dean’s deal back in S3.
@Ginger
I think the only thing we can be really sure of from this week’s spoilers is that, in the episode later today, Dean will be transported back to 1944 and go hunting with Eliot Ness. And some time-traveling god will be involved. And it will look faaaabulous.
The rest of the spoilers are really fragmentary and subject to that whole This Didn’t Turn Out The Way I Thought It Sounded As If You Said It Would effect, which is an occupational hazard for spoiler junkies and usually doesn’t leave people happy if they get too stuck into a rut of expectations.
For example, Jared Padalecki’s interview yesterday is already being examined minutely for his statements about Sam not “loving” Castiel (I’m pretty sure it’s been established onscreen that Castiel and Dean are much closer, regardless of what the writers tried to tell us) and that Sam will go completely and non-functionally “crazy”. However, this ignores the fact that Padalecki hasn’t seen the script for 7.16 and is basically talking about 7.15, an episode in which people see their worst fears (So, Crazy would be pretty universal in it, I’d think). He also intimates that Dean is going equally crazy at whatever that moment is and that Sam will have to take care of Dean the way Dean used to take care of him, at some point. And, incidentally, if Sam has his crack-up eight episodes before the end of the season, that increases the likelihood that it will be resolved before the season finale and *not* figure heavily into it.
But to hear some folks tell it, from reading the same interview, you’d think he’d promised a Limp!Sam extravaganza from here until the end of the season.
@ Paula: I had to go look up that interview, as I wasn’t aware of it. Yeah, JP is talking about 7.15 mostly. He has a tendency to only address the most current episode in his interviews, because he hasn’t seen the upcoming scripts. I found this quote to be the most interesting thing said:
“The power of the show is that we don’t have to take our shirts off to get viewers. We’re telling a story– a universal story about hardships and hard fought wars and doing the right thing and honor and courage and sacrifice. I think if season eight was about the boys taking their shirts off, it would suck. I wouldn’t want to be a part of it.”
I’m so glad he feels that way about the semi-nude scenes. None of them have worked for me. So, Dean gets laid, and, my goodness, JA does have nice broad shoulders, so let’s hope the scene works better than those of the past. I also hope that SG reads the “honor, courage, and sacrifice” part and connects that to the two leads being heroes, cause I’m not seeing much of the heros in S6 and S7. All the emo’ing and hand rubbing, no wins, little brawl scenes, and being saved by an adolescent equates to “hot losers” to me. I know, I’m the only one on the planet that thinks that; but, damn it, how about one of them actually get the upper hand on something for once.
And, of course Sam will take care of Dean. There’s been the big role reversal and Dean having given up his big brother role. No surprise there. And, of course, Cas is closer to Dean than Sam. When Cas was introduced, Sam was off with Ruby, Cas saved Dean, Cas learned to be human from his encounter with Dean, and then Dean was used to set up the S6 Cas story. I honestly do not understand all the whining about the Dean/Cas thing and “Sam has no friends” and “Sam has no role because Cas is there.” Mystifying.
Finally, I sure hope Sam has his big crack-up scene and then that boring thing is put to bed. As I’ve said before, though, this will not satisfy the Sam girls beyond one week. I think it’s nice that the Show is able to make some accommodation for Jared getting acquainted with Jared Jr. and he and Gen sharing the joy of their first baby as much as possible.
I am so excited to see tonights episode. Hot damn! I haven’t been this excited about an episode for years.
@Ginger
Well, not every fan who likes Sam is into Limp!Sam or counting every minute he’s onscreen, either. Certainly, not all of them loved Sambot or thinks Sam’s hellpain is such a hot thing. Everybody’s different. As for those fans who do think that way, I don’t think the show is paying any more attention to them at this point than any other fan, for good or ill.
Also, they’re finally confirming that Jared Padalecki will need some time off in March (which is going to be around the time they’re filming the last few episodes), but will be back in season eight. They will probably want to give Sam the spotlight a little earlier, then, to compensate, which seems reasonable. But they may not, too. This season has been relatively Samlite. Would it be nice if they did something creative with Sam’s character and storyline, instead? Yeah. But this season may not be the right one for that, what with Padalecki being distracted by real-life matters. I bet that’s the real reason we’re getting a flurry of new characters (aside from the writers’ belated realisation that stripping the brothers of everything is actually quite boring), to give Dean characters he can interact with while they do whatever with Sam to give Padalecki some time off.
Like it or not, a major advancement in their relationship really does need to be Dean crashing to the point where he can’t do the Big Brother thing and Sam taking care of him for real (instead of bailing on him to go hang with people who flatter him better). Could the writers screw it up? Sure. But it needs to happen.
I really wish they’d lay off the teasing about Bobby’s fate. It’s becoming increasingly obvious that he really is dead and is not due back at any definite time (so, probably not this season). Or, if he is, they’re not going to give any details. Just let it go, already.
Hm, I just found out that 7.17 is written by Sera…I don’t think it’s good news for Dean, Cas or Dean&Cas… Do you guys think Cas will come back as human?
@ cj: I hope not. I don’t want Cas riding in the backseat of the Impala as a hunter-in-training. We already have that character in Garth the hunter, apparently, who will be re-appearing. (Of course, they could kill Garth off and replace him with the human Cas, I suppose.)
Actually, I am thinking more of Cas the biggest boss Levi, with Dean having to emo over whether to kill him or not (Sam’s Amy delimma), and the Levi story carrying over into S8. I could be completely wrong about that, of course.